No Invite For O??..........

[Cris413]

I know that snopes is not infallible, but it is certainly more accurate than World Net Daily. Interestingly, the snopes article actually cites its sources (unlike both your prior post and the WND article) and the content of the snopes article is in accord with several other sources.





What sources did you consult in your research? Without citing sources, you are just another person on the internet putting forth your opinions as though they are facts.

Oh for crying out loud dies...are you serious? Here ya go:

From The Times

First Lady Michelle Obama shows even she has a gift for the gaffe



From the Telegraph

Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

…But they concede that the mood music of the event was at times strained. Mr Brown handed over carefully selected gifts, including a pen holder made from the wood of a warship that helped stamp out the slave trade - a sister ship of the vessel from which timbers were taken to build Mr Obama's Oval Office desk. Mr Obama's gift in return, a collection of Hollywood film DVDs that could have been bought from any high street store, looked like the kind of thing the White House might hand out to the visiting head of a minor African state…

From the Daily Mail Online –World News

To my special friend Gordon, 25 DVDs: Obama gives Brown a set of classic movies. Let's hope he likes the Wizard of Oz

…The unique present delighted Mr Obama because oak from the Gannet's sister ship, HMS Resolute, was carved to make a desk that has sat in the Oval Office in the White House since 1880.
Mr Brown also handed over a framed commission for HMS Resolute and a first edition of the seven-volume biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert.
In addition, Mr Brown and his wife showered gifts on the Obama children giving Sasha and Malia an outfit each from Topshop and six children's books by British authors which are shortly to be published in America.
In return, the Obamas gave the Browns two models of the presidential helicopter, Marine One, to take home to sons Fraser and John…


And here’s one of my favorites from the NY DailyNews...

…which is exemplary of what I was saying about some US media…being all shame, shame on the UK news for being offended. And interestingly enough…this is the article I got quite a few of the facts from:
I’ll post the entire article for your reading enjoyment…

London aghast at President Obama over gifts given to Prime Minister Brown

You'd think President Obama had booted the Brits out of America - again!
London newspapers are howling over a string of alleged snubs by Obama to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown during his visit to Washington last week - including a squabble over presidential gift-giving.

"President Obama has been rudeness personified towards Britain," sniffed The Daily Telegraph Friday. "His handling of the visit of the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, to Washington was appalling."

The list of complaints is longer than the Magna Carta: Obama canceled a planned, podium-to-podium news conference with Brown (actually, none was ever scheduled); he recently removed a bust of former Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office; and he gave gifts to the Brown family that were "about as exciting as a pair of socks," one Fleet Street wag whined.

That last bit might be true. After Brown presented Obama with a pen holder crafted from the timbers of the 19th century British warship HMS President (whose sister ship, HMS Resolute, provided the wood for the Oval Office's desk), Obama offered up ... 25 DVDs of American movie classics.
Never mind that Brown is blind in one eye and may have a hard time seeing the stars in "2001: A Space Odyssey," or that American DVDs are usually incompatible with British players.

Equally insulting, decided the Times of London, was Michelle Obama's "solipsistic" and "inherently dismissive" gifts to the Browns' two little boys, Fraser and John.

The offending souvenirs? Toy models of Marine One, the President's helicopter - gifts no doubt plucked from the White House gift shop at the last minute, The Times decided.

Brown's wife, Sarah, by contrast arrived with dresses for Sasha and Malia from the UK's trendy Top Shop (with matching necklaces) and a selection of books by British authors.

"A bit of thought had clearly gone into choosing them," crowed The Daily Mail. "Lovely."

The Brits have blown up the alleged snubs into new evidence that the "special relationship" between the two nations is no longer quite so special.
The hand-wringing began last month when Obama removed a bust of Churchill from the Oval Office and replaced it with his hero, Abraham Lincoln.
The Times of London immediately traced Obama's "disdain" for Churchill to Kenya, where Obama's grandfather was caught up in the Churchill-led suppression of the 1950s Mau Mau Rebellion that left thousands of
Kenyans dead.

"It's not surprising that Mr. Obama didn't want Churchill looking over his shoulder," explained one correspondent.
At this point, the two sides seem to be in full repair mode. The White House let it be known that Obama and Brown shared a chummy phone call as the prime minister was headed home.

And Friday, it was revealed that Obama would be granted a private audience with Queen Elizabeth when he is in London next month.
Quipped one reader of The Sun, "I hope Her Majesty likes DVDs."

Now…would you like me to link the dozens upon dozens of articles regarding the Obama’s visit Buckingham Palace??? Maybe after dinner…I’ll dig those up for you too….but I think I made my point.

Here’s a thought dies…perhaps you may wanna do a bit of research yourself before you start accusing others of not doing theirs.

And I wasn’t going to mention this…but as a Mod…you should know better than to enter into debate in a forum you do not normally participate in…let alone give even the slightest tone of bait and flame the members…like you did Tim…and now me.

But I guess that rule doesn’t apply here in Conservative Christians…anyone can be as liberal as they like and still debate all issues here…as long as they have some sort of “conservative” view on something…somewhere…at some point….in their life. Or at least claim to.

 

[WindBreath]

That's true. I would've thought CNN would cover it, but I guess even they have a slight bias.

 

[dies-l]

Oh for crying out loud dies...are you serious? Here ya go:

From The Times

First Lady Michelle Obama shows even she has a gift for the gaffe



From the Telegraph

Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

…But they concede that the mood music of the event was at times strained. Mr Brown handed over carefully selected gifts, including a pen holder made from the wood of a warship that helped stamp out the slave trade - a sister ship of the vessel from which timbers were taken to build Mr Obama's Oval Office desk. Mr Obama's gift in return, a collection of Hollywood film DVDs that could have been bought from any high street store, looked like the kind of thing the White House might hand out to the visiting head of a minor African state…

From the Daily Mail Online –World News

To my special friend Gordon, 25 DVDs: Obama gives Brown a set of classic movies. Let's hope he likes the Wizard of Oz

…The unique present delighted Mr Obama because oak from the Gannet's sister ship, HMS Resolute, was carved to make a desk that has sat in the Oval Office in the White House since 1880.
Mr Brown also handed over a framed commission for HMS Resolute and a first edition of the seven-volume biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert.
In addition, Mr Brown and his wife showered gifts on the Obama children giving Sasha and Malia an outfit each from Topshop and six children's books by British authors which are shortly to be published in America.
In return, the Obamas gave the Browns two models of the presidential helicopter, Marine One, to take home to sons Fraser and John…


And here’s one of my favorites from the NY DailyNews...

…which is exemplary of what I was saying about some US media…being all shame, shame on the UK news for being offended. And interestingly enough…this is the article I got quite a few of the facts from:
I’ll post the entire article for your reading enjoyment…

London aghast at President Obama over gifts given to Prime Minister Brown

You'd think President Obama had booted the Brits out of America - again!
London newspapers are howling over a string of alleged snubs by Obama to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown during his visit to Washington last week - including a squabble over presidential gift-giving.

"President Obama has been rudeness personified towards Britain," sniffed The Daily Telegraph Friday. "His handling of the visit of the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, to Washington was appalling."

The list of complaints is longer than the Magna Carta: Obama canceled a planned, podium-to-podium news conference with Brown (actually, none was ever scheduled); he recently removed a bust of former Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office; and he gave gifts to the Brown family that were "about as exciting as a pair of socks," one Fleet Street wag whined.

That last bit might be true. After Brown presented Obama with a pen holder crafted from the timbers of the 19th century British warship HMS President (whose sister ship, HMS Resolute, provided the wood for the Oval Office's desk), Obama offered up ... 25 DVDs of American movie classics.
Never mind that Brown is blind in one eye and may have a hard time seeing the stars in "2001: A Space Odyssey," or that American DVDs are usually incompatible with British players.

Equally insulting, decided the Times of London, was Michelle Obama's "solipsistic" and "inherently dismissive" gifts to the Browns' two little boys, Fraser and John.

The offending souvenirs? Toy models of Marine One, the President's helicopter - gifts no doubt plucked from the White House gift shop at the last minute, The Times decided.

Brown's wife, Sarah, by contrast arrived with dresses for Sasha and Malia from the UK's trendy Top Shop (with matching necklaces) and a selection of books by British authors.

"A bit of thought had clearly gone into choosing them," crowed The Daily Mail. "Lovely."

The Brits have blown up the alleged snubs into new evidence that the "special relationship" between the two nations is no longer quite so special.
The hand-wringing began last month when Obama removed a bust of Churchill from the Oval Office and replaced it with his hero, Abraham Lincoln.
The Times of London immediately traced Obama's "disdain" for Churchill to Kenya, where Obama's grandfather was caught up in the Churchill-led suppression of the 1950s Mau Mau Rebellion that left thousands of
Kenyans dead.

"It's not surprising that Mr. Obama didn't want Churchill looking over his shoulder," explained one correspondent.
At this point, the two sides seem to be in full repair mode. The White House let it be known that Obama and Brown shared a chummy phone call as the prime minister was headed home.

And Friday, it was revealed that Obama would be granted a private audience with Queen Elizabeth when he is in London next month.
Quipped one reader of The Sun, "I hope Her Majesty likes DVDs."

Now…would you like me to link the dozens upon dozens of articles regarding the Obama’s visit Buckingham Palace??? Maybe after dinner…I’ll dig those up for you too….but I think I made my point.

Here’s a thought dies…perhaps you may wanna do a bit of research yourself before you start accusing others of not doing theirs.

And I wasn’t going to mention this…but as a Mod…you should know better than to enter into debate in a forum you do not normally participate in…let alone give even the slightest tone of bait and flame the members…like you did Tim…and now me.

But I guess that rule doesn’t apply here in Conservative Christians…anyone can be as liberal as they like and still debate all issues here…as long as they have some sort of “conservative” view on something…somewhere…at some point….in their life. Or at least claim to.

Well, at least now I know where you get your news. They are not sources I would trust more than I would WND, but I at least I can give you credit that you have consulted some sources, even if not the ones I would consult.

As for your concerns that I am violating the rules by disagreeing with you here, I don't believe that I am in violation. My theological views fall well within the definition of Conservative Christian as stated in your statement of purpose. And, I have not baited or flamed anyone. I have only disagreed as to your position about the significance of certain current events concerning our current president.

 

[religious&reasonable]

lol this thread.

Congratz on turning a non-issue into an irrational arguement. Well played.

Still trying to decide if Tim is a troll or not.

 

[Cris413]

Well, at least now I know where you get your news. They are not sources I would trust more than I would WND, but I at least I can give you credit that you have consulted some sources, even if not the ones I would consult.

Of course they're not...

As for your concerns that I am violating the rules by disagreeing with you here, I don't believe that I am in violation. My theological views fall well within the definition of Conservative Christian as stated in your statement of purpose. And, I have not baited or flamed anyone. I have only disagreed as to your position about the significance of certain current events concerning our current president.

And of course they do...I didn't say you were in violation dies...(disagree...argumentative....accusatory...ya say tomato...whatever)

...I said it's not good form for a Mod to even remotely appear as such...

...and yes...I'm well aware of the current "guidelines" that permit ALL liberals to post/debate and be argumentative in CC on any subject they like...

I took part in that debacle of discussion regarding the reconstruction back '09...and staff should be all shiny and happy...they managed to run off pretty much the entire conservative forum...

And I thought you would be happy with the NYDaily...it's about as Liberal as they get...

...but noooo....'course not...doesn't say what you want it to...

Typical response when one can not refute the info...accuse someone of not doing their research...when that doesn't work...refute the sources as not good enough...or not reputable enough...whatever

Truly a sad and tired way to "disagree" the issues...

Can you come up with something beside "Snopes" to disprove any of this dies???

Here's CNN's take on the visit to Buckingham Palace:

This is what we got from CNN:

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Overseas Frenzy for Obamas
Aired April 1, 2009 - 21:00 ET



LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, the Obamas rule in England. The president's a powerful presence. And they're calling her Mighty Michelle. As the first couple calls on the queen, did they follow the royal regulations?

But not all Brits are embracing their guests.

What did they do to deserve this?

The Obamas ready to reign over the social world or not. The overseas frenzy for America's president and first lady right now on LARRY KING LIVE.

It's the wee hours of Thursday morning in London.

And with us is Richard Quest, CNN anchor and correspondent.

Anderson Cooper will be joining us in a little while. Anderson is over there, as well -- OK, Richard, he meets this -- the president. He meets with the British prime minister, holds a joint press conference. He meets with the Russian president. He meets with the Chinese president, has a private audience with the queen, then attends a dinner with other G20 leaders.

What do you see as the highlight of the day?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN ANCHOR, CORRESPONDENT: There were many highlights. It depends if you are a geopolitical strategist or you want, if you like, the best pictures of the day.

On the geopolitical front, it was probably the meeting with the Russian president and the Chinese premier. They were first time meetings for the new U.S. president. They were strategically important. And they made great ground in terms of nuclear talks with the Russians -- setting up a new framework for discussions in the future.

That said, Larry, the pictures everybody really enjoyed of the day was the Obamas at Buckingham Palace with Her Majesty and with Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. It was a -- it was a very warm moment. The president had said earlier in the day that it was one of the highlights of the visit. He praised the queen for her decorum and her civility. And afterward, Larry, he said the meeting and the tea with the queen had been, in the president's words, "delightful."

KING: Anderson is now ready.

Anderson Cooper, the anchor of CNN's "A.C. 360," hopping over there earlier today, I guess.

What -- how did he do -- Anderson?

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: So far, I mean people seem pretty pleased, both in the White House and also here. There has been some confusion over the gift that -- that the president gave to queen -- the queen. He gave her an iPod with some video pictures of her last trip to the United States in 2007, as well as some basically show tunes from the United States, "Oklahoma" and the like.

Some people kind of scratching their heads about that. You know, there's this ongoing discussion of the gifts that the Obamas have given to Gordon Brown, the prime minister, the last time he to the United States -- the first time he came to the United States. And -- and now this gift to the queen. Apparently, she has an iPod already.

So...I guess there was only some "confusion" about the gifts and visits.


And I guess...the Queen broke protocol when she personally invited other foreign leaders and dignataries to the wedding...that she didn't need to

I dunno...maybe she just had one too many iPODs to invite the Obamas again...

 

[Cris413]

lol this thread.

Congratz on turning a non-issue into an irrational arguement. Well played.

Still trying to decide if Tim is a troll or not.

R&R...I understand how young you are...you do have some valid points even at 16...however...it will still be awhile before you have any experiential understanding.

And sadly...our youth today are being taught "what" to think...instead of "how" to think.

The point being...Barack Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...

He should show respect to the leaders that have been allies to the US for decades...go above and beyond to pay them the honor and respect they are due...

The G8 Summit was an embarrassment to say the least...he walked away from that summit looking like an idiot with his more stimulus...trying to convince the leaders of countries going bankrupt...they need to spend MORE money...

But at least he didn't show up with goodies from WH gift shop...and a couple iPODs and some DVDs...

 

[religious&reasonable]

R&R...I understand how young you are...you do have some valid points even at 16...however...it will still be awhile before you have any experiential understanding.

And sadly...our youth today are being taught "what" to think...instead of "how" to think.

The point being...Barack Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...

He should show respect to the leaders that have been allies to the US for decades...go above and beyond to pay them the honor and respect they are due...

The G8 Summit was an embarrassment to say the least...he walked away from that summit looking like an idiot with his more stimulus...trying to convince the leaders of countries going bankrupt...they need to spend MORE money...

But at least he didn't show up with goodies from WH gift shop...and a couple iPODs and some DVDs...

If I was the queen there is nothing more I would love than a new Ipod or the DVD version of Inception.

And I like to think that my lack of experience keeps me from being too biased on issues, and allows me to use basic logic, rationale, facts, and evidence, instead of relying on personal feelings and emotions based on prior expereinces involving the issues. But there is really know way to tell if yourself is truly biased, so idk.

I agree with your statment on people not being taught "how" to think, as It took a lot self-thought and some forum roaming before I was able to create a valid arguement. Many of my friends and people I go to school with couldn't debate to asve their lives.

I would personally love it if more philospohical methods and ideas were taught in mainstream education, such as the socratic method and others.

but you have be both taught "how" to think and "what" to think to be truly educated.

I just don't see how The President not attending the wedding is anywhere relevant to foreign policy, or is even being compared to how Reagan attended the last royale wedding, since they ar enot on the same level of relevancy.

If this was something like a legitimate world leader gathering, then I would understand, but if the english really get upset about Obama not attending the weddding, their getting riled up about something that is insignificant to real issues. It seems more like people over here are getting more worked up about it.

 

[Cris413]

If I was the queen there is nothing more I would love than a new Ipod or the DVD version of Inception.

And I like to think that my lack of experience keeps me from being too biased on issues, and allows me to use basic logic, rationale, facts, and evidence, instead of relying on personal feelings and emotions based on prior expereinces involving the issues. But there is really know way to tell if yourself is truly biased, so idk.

I agree with your statment on people not being taught "how" to think, as It took a lot self-thought and some forum roaming before I was able to create a valid arguement. Many of my friends and people I go to school with couldn't debate to asve their lives.

I would personally love it if more philospohical methods and ideas were taught in mainstream education, such as the socratic method and others.

but you have be both taught "how" to think and "what" to think to be truly educated.

I just don't see how The President not attending the wedding is anywhere relevant to foreign policy, or is even being compared to how Reagan attended the last royale wedding, since they ar enot on the same level of relevancy.

If this was something like a legitimate world leader gathering, then I would understand, but if the english really get upset about Obama not attending the weddding, their getting riled up about something that is insignificant to real issues. It seems more like people over here are getting more worked up about it.

You are missing the point...it's not about the English getting upset...it's about the POTUS showing extremely bad form...bad character and lack of due respect...to a country that has been our most staunch ally for almost 100 years.

A country that has shown us nothing but respect and honor...especially considering the Revolutionary War...

It's not whether or not this is a world crisis issue...but is certainly indicative of a world class crisis of character and demeaning and disdainful attitude on our President's part...

And what I mean by experience being the best teacher...is not about bad feelings over this or that...

It's about life unfolding...and learning from past experience. What is it they say...those that don't learn from history or doomed to repeat it...

...or...my favorite...the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

My "experience" has been...from your age...I proudly called myself a "bleeding heart liberal" and was a DEM loyalist until I was 31 or so...

....when I started connecting the dots...between what I was being told...and what was actually happening...and the results thereof.

It was a cold slap in the face to realize the ideals I embraced most of my life...were simply NOT the reality of life...what was really happening.

That the self-proclaimed champions of the underdog...the poor and down trodden...their policies and legislations actually did more damage than good...and sadly...mostly to the people they claimed to want to help.

...that kinda thingy...

And if you were the Queen of England...you could buy your own iPOD...LOL...just like she did...

 

[religious&reasonable]

You are missing the point...it's not about the English getting upset...it's about the POTUS showing extremely bad form...bad character and lack of due respect...to a country that has been our most staunch ally for almost 100 years.

A country that has shown us nothing but respect and honor...especially considering the Revolutionary War...

It's not whether or not this is a world crisis issue...but is certainly indicative of a world class crisis of character and demeaning and disdainful attitude on our President's part...

And what I mean by experience being the best teacher...is not about bad feelings over this or that...

It's about life unfolding...and learning from past experience. What is it they say...those that don't learn from history or doomed to repeat it...

...or...my favorite...the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

My "experience" has been...from your age...I proudly called myself a "bleeding heart liberal" and was a DEM loyalist until I was 31 or so...

....when I started connecting the dots...between what I was being told...and what was actually happening...and the results thereof.

It was a cold slap in the face to realize the ideals I embraced most of my life...were simply NOT the reality of life...what was really happening.

That the self-proclaimed champions of the underdog...the poor and down trodden...their policies and legislations actually did more damage than good...and sadly...mostly to the people they claimed to want to help.

...that kinda thingy...

And if you were the Queen of England...you could buy your own iPOD...LOL...just like she did...

Well thankfully people have already made plenty of mistakes throughout history for me to learn from and apply to my everyday life. Even the small things. For when one analyzes based on their own experiences, they tend to only see it from their own point of view, or how they saw it at that moment in time during the "events". It's more beneficial I have found to decipher the other point of view of the subject first, anf then throw yours into the mix, as our own egos tend to place ours above others based on a false sense of prioriy that one stems from being too rooted in their own views.

And for i will say this for the 10,000 time in this sections, I am not a liberal, nor do I hold most of their beliefs, nor do I desire too. I'm a moderate and prefer to stray from getting caught up in the "party battles". People who vote for their party and not from their ideals are doing a diservice. The most liberal thing about me is probably my slight advocation of certain aspects of progresivism and my support of the DADT repeal, but I am anti-abortion unless the mother's life is at risk and not in support of gay marriage.

And I never really saw this as an act of "disdain" nor a lack of respect or bad character. some i suppose could percieve it as this, but to me it isn't a large enough issue to really be something worth worrying about nor is appearence of character relevent to how he does the job, So I tend to condemn threads like thse that don't focus on real issues, such as the economy, the 3 wars we have going on, gas prices, etc.

And maybe the Queen wants 2 Ipods? Maybe 1 Ipod isn't enough to hold all of her music. That's more like Obama coming to the rescue of the queen if you ask me.

 

[Cris413]

Well thankfully people have already made plenty of mistakes throughout history for me to learn from and apply to my everyday life. Even the small things. For when one analyzes based on their own experiences, they tend to only see it from their own point of view, or how they saw it at that moment in time during the "events". It's more beneficial I have found to decipher the other point of view of the subject first, anf then throw yours into the mix, as our own egos tend to place ours above others based on a false sense of prioriy that one stems from being too rooted in their own views.

And for i will say this for the 10,000 time in this sections, I am not a liberal, nor do I hold most of their beliefs, nor do I desire too. I'm a moderate and prefer to stray from getting caught up in the "party battles". People who vote for their party and not from their ideals are doing a diservice. The most liberal thing about me is probably my slight advocation of certain aspects of progresivism and my support of the DADT repeal, but I am anti-abortion unless the mother's life is at risk and not in support of gay marriage.

And I never really saw this as an act of "disdain" nor a lack of respect or bad character. some i suppose could percieve it as this, but to me it isn't a large enough issue to really be something worth worrying about nor is appearence of character relevent to how he does the job, So I tend to condemn threads like thse that don't focus on real issues, such as the economy, the 3 wars we have going on, gas prices, etc.

And maybe the Queen wants 2 Ipods? Maybe 1 Ipod isn't enough to hold all of her music. That's more like Obama coming to the rescue of the queen if you ask me.

you have a right to your opinion....

And if I might add: Sadly today, dishonorable conduct, disdain and disrespect for others, lack of decorum, good character, morals, values and ethics is a lot more acceptable today than it was even 20 years ago.

Not only is it acceptable…but in far too many instance even considered savvy.

 

[WindBreath]

Uh, I think you replied to the wrong person . Although I think it was rude of Obama to give such seemingly meaningless gifts out, I don't think that has anything to do with his foreign policies.

I was not the one who posted the forum rules, although I know someone did...not entirely sure why though. I correlate with all the Conservative views "needed" to post on this section of CF, but some users on here do not like to debate about issues they're starting threads about. Oh well...

 

[Faith.Man]

I know all the Libbers here on CF will whine that this is a "non-issue" (their new favorite catchphrase), but I personally find it rather interesting.......

Why was O not invited to the Royal Wedding of Prince William and soon-to-be Princess Kate??

Because it is not just a matter of him being invited but being too busy to attend......

He was not invited at all.........

Way back in July of 1981, President Ronald Reagan and his wife Nancy were invited to the wedding of Prince Charles and Lady Diana.....

Reagan could not attend because he was still recovering from an assassination attempt by John Hinkley, but Nancy went.

Even farther back, in November 1947, President Harry Truman and his wife Bess were invited to the royal wedding of Elizabeth II and Prince Philip......

So, despite the shrill denials of the Lefties, I would say that this omission by the royal family is far from being a mere "non-issue".....

And I would go even further and state that this is not just a subtle message to O....but it is a loud and public message to the rest of the entire world....

Actually, I think it's payback for him returning the Winston Churchill bust to the Queen when he took office. Or maybe it's because she didn't care for his thoughtful gift of the Apple iPod with his speeches prerecorded. I don't know and really don't care. I wasn't invited either. Maybe it's because my ancestors are Irish.

 

[sealacamp]

Actually, I think it's payback for him returning the Winston Churchill bust to the Queen when he took office. Or maybe it's because she didn't care for his thoughtful gift of the Apple iPod with his speeches prerecorded. I don't know and really don't care. I wasn't invited either. Maybe it's because my ancestors are Irish.

Now that is funny!!!

Sealacamp

 

[WindBreath]

You know, I just heard that presidents from other countries weren't invited either. Obama isn't the only one.

 

[HantsUK]

Heads of state were not invited (other than commonwealth realm countries - ie countries that have the Queen as monarch) - it's not officially a state occasion. But all the Heads of Mission in London representing countries with diplomatic relations to the UK were invited. So, the USA will be represented.

But the President of America would not have been invited, unless he had some other connection, such as:

a friend of the bride or groom
a member of the royal family
a member of government or parliament (British)
involved in one of Prince William's charities
a member of a foreign royal family
a governors-general or prime minister of a commonwealth realm country
a member of the (British) defence services
representative of the Church or other faiths.

Seems that people are making a story out of nothing.

I wasn't invited either (along with 99.997% of Britains), and don't personally know anyone who was.

 

[Cris413]

Heads of state were not invited (other than commonwealth realm countries - ie countries that have the Queen as monarch) - it's not officially a state occasion. But all the Heads of Mission in London representing countries with diplomatic relations to the UK were invited. So, the USA will be represented.

But the President of America would not have been invited, unless he had some other connection, such as:

a friend of the bride or groom
a member of the royal family
a member of government or parliament (British)
involved in one of Prince William's charities
a member of a foreign royal family
a governors-general or prime minister of a commonwealth realm country
a member of the (British) defence services
representative of the Church or other faiths.

Seems that people are making a story out of nothing.

I wasn't invited either (along with 99.997% of Britains), and don't personally know anyone who was.

Thank you UK! It’s good to know our Pres wasn’t invited because he was so thoughtless, demeaning and disrespectful to the Queen and to your Prime Minister Gordon Brown and his family.

Personally, it doesn’t matter so much to me if America is represented at the Royal Wedding…what does matter me…is how our President represents America…especially to dignitaries of countries that have been our allies for many decades.

Sadly…I guess it would be futile to expect our current Pres to give honor and respect to other countries…when he doesn’t even give it to the US…well…he does have a deep and abiding love for Kenya though…which he does consider his country.

And I think it’s just awesome Prince William is breaking tradition and inviting so many commoners that have been close to him and/or Miss Middleton.

Now…I just have to ask you….being from the UK…how to you feel about the UK press and their insistence that it’s a “snub” to Obama that he’s not invited….

…and the UK press response to Obama’s visit with the Queen, the iPOD and the 25 DVDs he gave to Prime Minister Brown?

 

[WalksWithChrist]

The Obamas not being invited to the Royal Wedding is a huge indicator of Obama’s dishonorable Foreign Relations. The Royal Family is basically showing the same respect for Obama that he has first shown them…and the UK.

When Prime Minister Gordon Brown and his family visited the WH…As customary, they brought thoughtful and meaningful gifts to honor the President of the (once) United States of America. The Prime Minister gifted Obama with a pen holder hand carved from the timber of the historic 19th century British warship…the HMS President.

Which was very appropriate and exceedingly thoughtful…considering the desk in the Oval Office was hand crafted from the timber from her sister ship, the HMS Resolute, gifted to President Hayes in 1880.

Obama gave the Prime Minister of England…25 DVDs of American movie classics…which aren’t even compatible with British DVD players.

The Browns brought Obama's daughters dresses from a very trendy UK shop with matching necklaces and selections of British literature.

The Obamas gave the Prime Minister’s sons toy models of Marine One, the POTUS’ helicopter…gifts easily obtained at the WH gift shop.

And of course…the biggest insult of all…removing the bust of Churchill from the Oval Office.

And the Obamas were equally disrespectful when they visited Buckingham Palace and gifted the QUEEN with an iPOD. They also gifted Her Royal Majesty with a bag of goodies from the duty free shop at Heathrow Airport. Which included:

A signed paperback copy of Obama's book “Dreams of My Father”. A bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label Scotch. An Abba CD, with the 2 for 1 price sticker still on it. And 10 bags of M&Ms with the Presidential Seal.

The Queen gave the Obamas:

One of the earliest copies of Shakespeare’s “Henry V”. The original sheet music of John Newton’s “Amazing Grace”…framed of course. She gave the girls a dollhouse replica of Windsor Castle with a functioning train station…and Mrs Obama a ruby ring commissioned and worn by Queen Victoria.

I mean seriously…the Obama’s thoughtlessness and treatment of the UK’s dignitaries was totally low rent….with complete lack of decorum, respect and honor befitting Royalty, foreign Heads of State and dignitaries…particularly those of the UK which began forming an allegiance with the US in WWI…almost 100 years ago!

So this is, IMHO, is NOT a non-issue…but yet another fine example of Obama’s horrific Foreign Relations Policy…

…to bow to our enemies…and insult our allies.

Well thankfully people have already made plenty of mistakes throughout history for me to learn from and apply to my everyday life. Even the small things. For when one analyzes based on their own experiences, they tend to only see it from their own point of view, or how they saw it at that moment in time during the "events". It's more beneficial I have found to decipher the other point of view of the subject first, anf then throw yours into the mix, as our own egos tend to place ours above others based on a false sense of prioriy that one stems from being too rooted in their own views.

And for i will say this for the 10,000 time in this sections, I am not a liberal, nor do I hold most of their beliefs, nor do I desire too. I'm a moderate and prefer to stray from getting caught up in the "party battles". People who vote for their party and not from their ideals are doing a diservice. The most liberal thing about me is probably my slight advocation of certain aspects of progresivism and my support of the DADT repeal, but I am anti-abortion unless the mother's life is at risk and not in support of gay marriage.

And I never really saw this as an act of "disdain" nor a lack of respect or bad character. some i suppose could percieve it as this, but to me it isn't a large enough issue to really be something worth worrying about nor is appearence of character relevent to how he does the job, So I tend to condemn threads like thse that don't focus on real issues, such as the economy, the 3 wars we have going on, gas prices, etc.

And maybe the Queen wants 2 Ipods? Maybe 1 Ipod isn't enough to hold all of her music. That's more like Obama coming to the rescue of the queen if you ask me.

Indicative of nothing, I know lots of people have more than one iPod. More than several flash drives (I do!). More than one portable hard drive. Many SD cards for photos...etc.

That said, I think people in general get too wrapped up (ha...no pun intended!) in gift giving. We put too much stock in it. I would rather put stock in how we actually relate to one another and not have respect tied to gift giving.

Besides. Why should we be sucking up to a super-rich monarch who can buy literally anything she wants anyway? I don't get that.

 

[WindBreath]

Right. CNN reported this because of ideas that Obama wasn't invited for snubbing the Queen/royals and heads of UK state. If I were William and Kate, I wouldn't invite any politicians at all - it's a wedding, not a press conference.

 

[Cris413]

Indicative of nothing, I know lots of people have more than one iPod. More than several flash drives (I do!). More than one portable hard drive. Many SD cards for photos...etc.

That said, I think people in general get too wrapped up (ha...no pun intended!) in gift giving. We put too much stock in it. I would rather put stock in how we actually relate to one another and not have respect tied to gift giving.

Besides. Why should we be sucking up to a super-rich monarch who can buy literally anything she wants anyway? I don't get that.

Well...as they say...it's not the gift...but the thought that counts. And that's the point...how little thought was put into the tradition of the gift giving.

Certainly a pen holder isn't all that big a deal...however...WHY the gift from the Prime Minister to Obama was "special" and thoughtful....the way it was crafted and the symbolism...and what it represented...was sincere token of respect in the bond of friendship...remembering a long standing history of acts of friendship between the two countries.

And that's what this whole "gifty" thing was truly about...remembering and honoring a good relationship between our two countries...for almost 100 years now... regardless of the Revolution.

...not the giving and receiving of awesome gifts...like iPODs and DVDs...or a really cool pen holder...(I mean seriously...who wouldn't want an iPOD or a stack of DVDs over a pen holder...)

...but what they represent as thoughtfulness, appreciation and respect for each other in the bond of friendship.

Here's a pen holder made from the wood of a British ship that was active in the fight against slave labor.

A companion piece to the desk, crafted from the wood of her sister ship...the desk we gave your country in gratitude for the hand of friendship you extended to us...by bringing the HMS Resolute home to us when you found it abandoned...way back in the 1800's

I am just really amazed frankly...that so many of you do not see the significance of this...and these symbolic gifts...

So my dearest WWC...it's not about the "presents"...not about sucking up to some monarch...but that the gifts are indeed representative of the "gift" of friendship and mutual respect and value...in sincerity and thoughtfulness....between our two countries...regardless of the difference we may have.

I don't know how I could explain this any better...or why so many of you simply don't "get it"

 

[HantsUK]

Now…I just have to ask you….being from the UK…how to you feel about the UK press and their insistence that it’s a “snub” to Obama that he’s not invited….

…and the UK press response to Obama’s visit with the Queen, the iPOD and the 25 DVDs he gave to Prime Minister Brown?

Some sections of the British press are best ignored - which I do.

Obama could always drop in on Tony Blair or Gordon Brown or Bush or Clinton and commiserate together about how none of them were invited.