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No evidence against evolution

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It doesn't need to be directly observed, there are physical remains left, and these can be tested.

The difference between this and evolution is that evolution is just an interpretation (one of many). While there is only one interpretation for the Ice Age. The evolutionists though never understand this... they think their own interpretation = fact, when there are hundreds of different interpretation of the same scientific discoveries.


Hundreds? Name one. Name your one best or most popular alternative interpretation of prehistoric biological evidence that does not support the Theory of Evolution.
 
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Hundreds? Name one. Name your one best or most popular alternative interpretation of prehistoric biological evidence that does not support the Theory of Evolution.

There are several alternitive interpretations which fit the evidence -

Progressive Creationism
Saltationist Catastrophism (Georges Cuvier)

ToE is just one interpetation of many.

However since evolutionists don't read or explore other theories, then think only their theory is true. Evolutionists are not truth seekers.
 
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It doesn't need to be directly observed, there are physical remains left, and these can be tested.

The difference between this and evolution is that evolution is just an interpretation (one of many). While there is only one interpretation for the Ice Age. The evolutionists though never understand this... they think their own interpretation = fact, when there are hundreds of different interpretation of the same scientific discoveries.


Well its nice to hear you say "it doesnt need to be directly observed". We will quote this back to you every time you say "it has not been directly observed' as an objection to evolution.

Where I live, you can find a lot of glacial erratics; rocks that dont 'belong" here. They are ( correctly) interpreted as having been transported and left behind as the ice retreated.

There are of course, and many interpretations as one might like, for the presence of erratics, eskers, and so on. Like your "hundreds of interpretations of "discoveries".

But like the ToE, only one interpretation that actually fits with the data, and that has not been falsified by the data.

You cannot produce a theory of erratics, nor a theory for the fossil evidence, that cannot be falsified by the data. Try it! You cant do it. Try harder! Maybe it will sink in.

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The evolutionists though never understand this

So what we have is that YOU, with no more, evidently than middle school level science background, know something that the entire scientific community of the world has never been able to understand.

Even tho interpretation of data is at the absolute heart and core of science! And they never noticed. None of them. Nor has the entire educated population of the world besides the scientists.

Only a few christian cultists are privy to this understanding about interpretation.


How do you explain this? I mean seriously, do you have the capacity to detect absolute absurdity?

Oh yeah one more thing, the sort of thing that makes me wonder how you can know more than all them scientists, but have no more idea of rality than this.

NO researcher says his interpretation =fact. That is ridiculous, strawman, totally out to lunch statement.
own interpretation-facts

They will say "its a fact that this is the data I got", and thats about all you hear about "facts".

See if you can get at least that one thing straight.
 
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There are several alternitive interpretations which fit the evidence -

Progressive Creationism
Saltationist Catastrophism (Georges Cuvier)

ToE is just one interpetation of many.

However since evolutionists don't read or explore other theories, then think only their theory is true. Evolutionists are not truth seekers.


Those theories are thoroughly falsified by the data.

Cuvier? (1769-1832) That is really a stretchh back thro' the dens of antiquity!
In those days they still thought that there was a great undiscovered continent in the southern ocean!

You do realize btw that saying that evolutionists are not interested in any otehr theory is saying that the entire scientific community of the world is a bunch of hacks with no interest in research. Quite a statement, dont you think?

surely you can do better than just a weird ridiculous ad hom.

Lets here ONE piece of data that would tend to falsify the ToE.

I mean if its false and all, the world should be crawling with ways to disprove the ToE. All i ask is one? Just one?
 
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There are several alternitive interpretations which fit the evidence -

Progressive Creationism
Saltationist Catastrophism (Georges Cuvier)

ToE is just one interpetation of many.

However since evolutionists don't read or explore other theories, then think only their theory is true. Evolutionists are not truth seekers.


I said one that fits the evidence.
 
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There are several alternitive interpretations which fit the evidence -

Progressive Creationism
Saltationist Catastrophism (Georges Cuvier)

ToE is just one interpetation of many.

However since evolutionists don't read or explore other theories, then think only their theory is true. Evolutionists are not truth seekers.


Just wondering, do you think YOU are a "truth seeker"? if so why do you get so many things wrong when trying to talk about evolution? you obviously dont know the first thing about it. have you sought the truth of these matters?

Or about how science works.

Nor do you make any effort to learn when you are corrected.

What kind of "truth seeker" are you?
 
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Yep, it starts there. But it isn't necessary it's end point.
What observations started the theory of Evolution?
-the geographical distribution of different species. The Galapagos finches were a case, but there were many others

-the existence of fossils of unknown species.

-the pattern where in we find these fossils: how deeper we dig how stranger the fossils look. And how less deep we dig, how more the fossils look like living species.
- the akward design of some organs, like the recurrent laryngeal nerve
Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes

- nested hierarchy of development.

These are all observations that started evolution.

Now, as you like observations, so much, on what observations is biblical literalism based?

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There are several alternitive interpretations which fit the evidence -

Progressive Creationism
Saltationist Catastrophism (Georges Cuvier)

ToE is just one interpetation of many.

However since evolutionists don't read or explore other theories, then think only their theory is true. Evolutionists are not truth seekers.

Y'know, I gotta say, I kind of resent this. I do research on evolution. I think that the theory of evolution best fits and explains the evidence we've discovered. I'm willing to dedicate my life to making very tiny steps forward and expand our knowledge base. I probably won't be a great scientist (I'm not that smart or driven) so I'll probably receive very little acclaim or recognition for my life's work.

But I want to know. I've found that science gives me the best tools to do that, and I have considered and tried other methods. I spend my days trying to learn more, and, as many other scientists will attest, it's not a job that ends at 5 pm, nor is it a job that pays large sums of money. For you to then say that I'm not seeking the truth, well, I know you may not have meant it personally, but I can't help but take it that way.
 
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I think that the theory of evolution best fits and explains the evidence we've discovered.

That's the point of a theory! :)

Theories are the unifying glue of science. They hold together all of the facts, observations, experimental results and hypotheses in a nice, easy to digest formfactor. Too bad creationists like to bastardize the term all the time, like it's some sort of dogma.

Also, I'm fellow man of science, studying biochemistry currently. :thumbsup:
 
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That's the point of a theory! :)

Theories are the unifying glue of science. They hold together all of the facts, observations, experimental results and hypotheses in a nice, easy to digest formfactor. Too bad creationists like to bastardize the term all the time, like it's some sort of dogma.

Also, I'm fellow man of science, studying biochemistry currently. :thumbsup:

Y'know to be honest, the reason I started posting on this board rather than just reading is I noticed there were a lot of fellow folks who are in the sciences. Glad to hear about it! Good luck with your studies, and PM me if you ever feel like talking about it in greater detail. Biochem was always a task for me!
 
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Y'know, I gotta say, I kind of resent this. I do research on evolution. I think that the theory of evolution best fits and explains the evidence we've discovered. I'm willing to dedicate my life to making very tiny steps forward and expand our knowledge base. I probably won't be a great scientist (I'm not that smart or driven) so I'll probably receive very little acclaim or recognition for my life's work.

But I want to know. I've found that science gives me the best tools to do that, and I have considered and tried other methods. I spend my days trying to learn more, and, as many other scientists will attest, it's not a job that ends at 5 pm, nor is it a job that pays large sums of money. For you to then say that I'm not seeking the truth, well, I know you may not have meant it personally, but I can't help but take it that way.


We had a guy for a while, he stood outside the bio building handing out chick tracts and generally trying to preach salvation from the satanism of science in general and evolutionism in particular.

He had a particular thing for Asian students, or i should say, against Asian students.

There was a bit of a free speech issue but the campus police ended up getting rid of him.

What is to take personally in something like that? I've had downtown bums curse me for not giving them money. That isnt personal either, any more than a stray dog barking is.
 
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We had a guy for a while, he stood outside the bio building handing out chick tracts and generally trying to preach salvation from the satanism of science in general and evolutionism in particular.

He had a particular thing for Asian students, or i should say, against Asian students.

There was a bit of a free speech issue but the campus police ended up getting rid of him.

What is to take personally in something like that? I've had downtown bums curse me for not giving them money. That isnt personal either, any more than a stray dog barking is.

Haha, good point, but I figured since we were all discussing a subject some rules of politeness apply (I've been trying to be more polite on the forums at least!).

Edit: You're right though, I should grow a thicker skin!
 
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Haha, good point, but I figured since we were all discussing a subject some rules of politeness apply (I've been trying to be more polite on the forums at least!).

Edit: You're right though, I should grow a thicker skin!


A bum or a chick tract type does not have the capacity to say anything important enough to actually be an insult, do they?

You really cant do an effective criticism or satire unless there is some element of truth to it. Totally out-to-lunch attacks only say something about the person trying to launch them, and make themselves look ridiculous in the process.

That said, I was really hurt and crying one time when I came back to my dorm and someone had written 'chink' on the door.

Oddly tho, later that same day i heard Rush Limbaugh on the radio (like I ever tune him in) and he was saying "Why let some other person dictate your mood for you or how you feel about yourself?" And I thought well yeah, why indeed. Wisdom from the mouth of a RL. How about that.

But I took it to heart, and its been a lot tougher for anyone to do that to me since then.
 
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