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No Child Left Behind....
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Why arethey doing this to our kids?I know our time is getting short here on earth.I can not harding wait for Jesus to return.
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No Child Left Behind was the dumbest thing ive ever seen. Im a senior in high school right now, im ranked 14th in my class of 280 and because of this act, I sit bored in all of my classes learning the same thing ALL DAY LONG! Ive seriously thought about dropping out of high school and doing online courses to graduate because im bored to death of learnign all the same material.
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Ask most teachers, they'll tell you No Child Left Behind is a joke, and does more to hurt the education of students than it does to help it.
And that military information release is downright creepy. What on earth does the military have to do with getting a child a good education? (Aside from education received while within the military, which is something that occurs after school is completed)
And that military information release is downright creepy. What on earth does the military have to do with getting a child a good education? (Aside from education received while within the military, which is something that occurs after school is completed)
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This is disturbing, but do we have another link to this. Maybe someone can get a link to the actual no child left behind documents, the article quoted page 670.
Yes, No child Left behind is not really going to help most students and there are money issues, but this article if it is true shows much worse than that.
The recruiters cited the No Child Left Behind Act, President Bush's sweeping new education law passed earlier this year. There, buried deep within the law's 670 pages, is a provision requiring public secondary schools to provide military recruiters not only with access to facilities, but also with contact information for every student -- or face a cutoff of all federal aid.
Now, here we have another act, that is presented as a good thing for the people, just like the Patriot Act, but it seems again, they did not bother to read all the fine print before passing it.
Both my kids willingly talked to recruiters at the high school and we have met with them and recieved over 50 phone calls from the recruiters between the two of them. Which is fine, but they do use very persuasive methods. I sat with my son on one interview and they told him that it was so unlikely that he would go to Iraq, it was all about the travel and education. I have to say I am glad I was there to ask questions that my son would have never thought of. They tried to focus on money issues the family may have and show how they can help. I was pretty uncomfortable with the methods used. My son may still enlist, but he is taking more time to think about it.
I find this really scary, if it is in fact true. If the volunteer military is mostly volunteer because they use questionable methods, someone needs to bring this to the attention of american parents.
Yes, No child Left behind is not really going to help most students and there are money issues, but this article if it is true shows much worse than that.
The recruiters cited the No Child Left Behind Act, President Bush's sweeping new education law passed earlier this year. There, buried deep within the law's 670 pages, is a provision requiring public secondary schools to provide military recruiters not only with access to facilities, but also with contact information for every student -- or face a cutoff of all federal aid.
Now, here we have another act, that is presented as a good thing for the people, just like the Patriot Act, but it seems again, they did not bother to read all the fine print before passing it.
Both my kids willingly talked to recruiters at the high school and we have met with them and recieved over 50 phone calls from the recruiters between the two of them. Which is fine, but they do use very persuasive methods. I sat with my son on one interview and they told him that it was so unlikely that he would go to Iraq, it was all about the travel and education. I have to say I am glad I was there to ask questions that my son would have never thought of. They tried to focus on money issues the family may have and show how they can help. I was pretty uncomfortable with the methods used. My son may still enlist, but he is taking more time to think about it.
I find this really scary, if it is in fact true. If the volunteer military is mostly volunteer because they use questionable methods, someone needs to bring this to the attention of american parents.
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The entire NCLB thing was based on lies and distortions. The guy appointed by Bush to be in charge of Education is the one who created the Houston Miracle, which is what NCLB is based upon. This was when, instead of really teaching the children, they had the "poor testers" drop out. They then fudged the records so that this was difficult to trace. And that's before they even began cheating on the tests themselves.samby said:
Even if someone wants to discount all of the movie F 9/11, the part about the recruiters and the kids should be watched. None of the above could be a shock to someone who has watched that movie.
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I found a NCLB Desktop reference at ed.gov. In it, the only thing I could find about military recruitment is the following:
Districts receiving NCLB funds are required to provide Armed Forces recruiters the same access to high school students as college and job recruiters.
The policy seems reasonable, as written. Maybe there is some other hidden provision in the full NCLB act. Or in this particular case, the school provides student names and contact information to college and job recruiters so they had to provide the same information to the military. Or maybe this was just the case of some overzealous military recruiters. Difficult to tell from this biased article
FYI, if anyone want to look at the reference, it is at the ed.gov website. Search for 'NCLB reference' (I do not have enough posts to give the link itself).
There is also a provision on school prayer that I thought interesting (nothing to do with this discussion):
NCLB funds are denied to any school district that has a policy that prevents, or otherwise denies participation in, constitutionally protected prayer in public elementary and secondary schools.
As far as the NCLB in general, I do not think it is the best idea, but at least some attempt has been made to save our degrading school system. I think there has to be some accountability in our schools. Otherwise, the incentives to improve the quality of education are weak to non-existent. NCLB attempts to bring about this accountability. I am sure there are better ways, but I, for one, cannot think of any.
Overall, NCLB does not, unfortunately, attack the main issues, which are the lack of parental involvement (#1) and the waste of monetary resource (#2).
Districts receiving NCLB funds are required to provide Armed Forces recruiters the same access to high school students as college and job recruiters.
The policy seems reasonable, as written. Maybe there is some other hidden provision in the full NCLB act. Or in this particular case, the school provides student names and contact information to college and job recruiters so they had to provide the same information to the military. Or maybe this was just the case of some overzealous military recruiters. Difficult to tell from this biased article
FYI, if anyone want to look at the reference, it is at the ed.gov website. Search for 'NCLB reference' (I do not have enough posts to give the link itself).
There is also a provision on school prayer that I thought interesting (nothing to do with this discussion):
NCLB funds are denied to any school district that has a policy that prevents, or otherwise denies participation in, constitutionally protected prayer in public elementary and secondary schools.
As far as the NCLB in general, I do not think it is the best idea, but at least some attempt has been made to save our degrading school system. I think there has to be some accountability in our schools. Otherwise, the incentives to improve the quality of education are weak to non-existent. NCLB attempts to bring about this accountability. I am sure there are better ways, but I, for one, cannot think of any.
Overall, NCLB does not, unfortunately, attack the main issues, which are the lack of parental involvement (#1) and the waste of monetary resource (#2).
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