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"You can understand a lot of puzzles about human behavior. You can understand why artists are so different from accountants. You can actually predict what kinds of books they like to read, what kinds of places they like to travel to, and what kinds of food they like to eat. Once you understand this trait, you can understand why anybody would eat at Applebee's, but not anybody that you know." ~ Jonathan Haidt
Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives | Video on TED.com
NLT is kinda like Applebee's.
Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives | Video on TED.com
NLT is kinda like Applebee's.
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First a comparison with the ESV, the two translations are done by roughly the same committee, working with different translation philosophy and a different base text to be updated (Living Bible for the NLT, RSV for the ESV)
For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. (NLT)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (ESV)
The first part For God loved the world so much flows better and is simpler to read being clearer. The next proposition gave his one and only Son from my limited Greek understanding captures υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ slightly clearer than that of the ESV.
That's about as much as I can do based on a single verse.
For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. (NLT)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (ESV)
The first part For God loved the world so much flows better and is simpler to read being clearer. The next proposition gave his one and only Son from my limited Greek understanding captures υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ slightly clearer than that of the ESV.
That's about as much as I can do based on a single verse.
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For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. (HCSB)
Footnote: The Gk word houtos, commonly translated in Jn 3:16 as “so” or “so much” occurs over 200 times in the NT. Almost without exception it is an adverb of manner, not degree (for example, see Mt 1:18). It only means “so much” when modifying an adjective (see Gl 3:3; Rv 16:18). Manner seems primarily in view in Jn 3:16, which explains the HCSB‘s rendering.
From my observation, the NLT is most popular among the most 'contemporary' churches. It is rather liberal in its paraphrase and not something I referred to much after I entered my 20's. I sometimes feel as if it is written in such low style as to insult the intelligence of experienced readers. The Bible is a book for serious individuals.
Footnote: The Gk word houtos, commonly translated in Jn 3:16 as “so” or “so much” occurs over 200 times in the NT. Almost without exception it is an adverb of manner, not degree (for example, see Mt 1:18). It only means “so much” when modifying an adjective (see Gl 3:3; Rv 16:18). Manner seems primarily in view in Jn 3:16, which explains the HCSB‘s rendering.
From my observation, the NLT is most popular among the most 'contemporary' churches. It is rather liberal in its paraphrase and not something I referred to much after I entered my 20's. I sometimes feel as if it is written in such low style as to insult the intelligence of experienced readers. The Bible is a book for serious individuals.
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Oh sorry ..I thought the Bible was for everyone to know the word of God and come to know Jesus to be saved. Well that's just my opinion though.
John 3:16
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To truly unlock its meaning one must work at it. One must reflect on the teachings of the church in regards to it. Most of all, one must pray for discernment and earnestness. It is a lifelong source of enlightenment, of puzzlement, of mystery.
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I can understand that you can dig deep into the Bible. You say "the Bible is for serious people". Is not the Bible for all who wants a relationship with God?
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I generally recommend against the NLT.
The NLT markets itself as a bona fide translation and goes out of its way to say that it is not a paraphrase. However, the NLT is a revision of The Living Bible, which is itself a paraphrase. Thus the NLT is deceptive in that it leads the reader to believe that it is a fresh translation and that it accurately reflects the original languages. But the NLT, being a paraphrase, takes incredible liberty with the text and inserts a great deal of the translators' bias. In other words, it is a paraphrase that reflects what the translators believe to be the doctrinal meaning of the text.
I don't have a problem with paraphrases (although I don't use them). The Living Bible is a paraphrase; The Message is a paraphrase. But those two paraphrases make sure that you know that they are paraphrases. But when a paraphrase lies and says that it is not a paraphrase but a normal translation, I have a problem with that.
The NLT markets itself as a bona fide translation and goes out of its way to say that it is not a paraphrase. However, the NLT is a revision of The Living Bible, which is itself a paraphrase. Thus the NLT is deceptive in that it leads the reader to believe that it is a fresh translation and that it accurately reflects the original languages. But the NLT, being a paraphrase, takes incredible liberty with the text and inserts a great deal of the translators' bias. In other words, it is a paraphrase that reflects what the translators believe to be the doctrinal meaning of the text.
I don't have a problem with paraphrases (although I don't use them). The Living Bible is a paraphrase; The Message is a paraphrase. But those two paraphrases make sure that you know that they are paraphrases. But when a paraphrase lies and says that it is not a paraphrase but a normal translation, I have a problem with that.
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I can see your point. I personally use dynamic to see if there's another angle on a passage I may not fully understand. I do disagree on it being a paraphrase as I personally have done side by side comparison with ESV and NASB with the NLT . But that's my personal opinion. I was just curious if there was those that use it primarily.
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