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I live in Dekalb, IL, right by Northern Illinois university. Yes, there was a shooting today. In my own town. I live here. People are dead. I don't live too far where the shootings took place. Kids I may have seen come into my job, saw at party or on the bus could have been in that room. Luckily, I was not an NIU student, thanks to doing badly in school, so I was far away from campus and was working somewhere safe. Nobody I knew was injured. So far 5 kids have died. I'm scared, sad, confused and I don't feel safe being anywhere anymore.


I just want to say...Men cut it out. Women don't do this. This is you. And it's mostly white men. Supposedly the shooting was racially motivated. An ignorant racist, with no education and didn't have any special knowledge that only he possessed. Some dumb white kids, who never struggled to live, never lived with real loss. These ignorant males, who don't know what suffering is. Everyone gets picked on. I have many many times. I've been a loner too. I've had close friends fail me. I sometimes want to die when I wake up in the morning. But I don't go ballistic on innocent people, that doesn't solve anything. You're dead now anyway. What did that solve? You're not cool with your gun, you have no real life philosophy, because you have nothing to say by killing innocent kids.



Now on to gun control. No we simply cannot get rid of guns altogether, that's silly. I want a gun for self defense myself, especially now. I've been a victim of crazy men. I was once almost abducted by a psycho evangelist who came up to me at a grocery store, with my mom. I wasn't even alone. This is crazy men. Women you need to protect yourselves from men. They're sick. Not all of them. But don't trust any strange man who might seem mentally ill.

Giving everyone a gun will not stop this. Anyone crazy can pull a loaded gun on you faster than you can spell Mississippi. If you're a dumb kid, with a gun for self defense, and you don't know what you're doing, you can injure yourself quite easy or fail to respond to a crisis where someone else has a gun. No guns don't kill people, in the sense that they don't fly in the air and start randomly shooting. If we allow any kid to buy a gun, or just anyone, this happens.

There does need to be control. Sad to say, Bill O'reilly agrees with this. So no this isn't just liberals that want this. However, we cannot get rid of every gun in America, nor do I necessarily want that. There needs to be extensive background checks on people who wish to get a gun license, they need to prove their address and place of employment, they need to bring every form of identification, they need to check criminal files and medical files stating any mental illnesses or strange and criminal behavior, there should be a witness there to testify that the person requesting license is sane, finger prints should be taken, there should be a large fee for simply applying for a license, a large waiting period for obtaining the license, and the age of ownership should exceed 25 years of age. Or we could make it illegal for men to carry a gun. That might solve a lot. Yeah, some women might use it to their advantage, but still. Guns need more regulation. People need to be discouraged from owning a gun. Yeah, kids can use knives to kill, but knives don't slaughter whole rooms of people. You can throw a desk at a kid with a knife. A room of guys can take on one guy that doesn't have a gun to point.

There needs to be accountability with parents, peers and professors to make sure mentally ill kids get treated. I think suspect people, especially with a history of attempted suicide, need to get help, even if by force. Kids who are lonely need to be comforted and watched closely. Kids need to be discouraged from harassing others. We need to stop glorifying guns in our culture. No, I'm not saying get rid of every first person shooter game, but less should be sold, as those games suck anyway. Stuff like this should not be all over the news. I want FOX NEWS out of my town. Stop covering this.

You want to lower crime EH CONSERVATIVES? You do nothing to help society. You are the anti-progressive, the anti-change and the anti-compassion. You think doing the same thing over and over again and things will magically fix themselves, or god will. You think people should be forgotten and ignored. Help yourself is your motto. Well, why live in a society if you think that. Jesus said to help others, especially the poor. Why live in a country and give a crap about your freedoms. You don't care about poor, the needy or the lonely. These are the ones fighting this battle, They're the ones who want guns to shoot people. They're the kids who go ballistic inside schools. Kids should be safe to get their educations.

Crime has and always will be diminished by education and the lowering of poverty. No poverty, no crime. This is only worsened by you Republicans. It is you who wants to keep the federal minimum wage at $5.15 and help keep the poor poorer. Conservatives know nothing about the economy. Two thirds of the nations debt in the past 100 years has been under Reagan and both Bushes. Three Republican presidents.I have no reason to commit crime if I have the money I need to live and be happy, and I'm educated enough not to resort to violence to get what I want and need. Most crimes are committed by the needy, the hungry, the inflicted, the harassed and the mentally ill.

I couldn't even believe in a God who would allow crap like this to happen. Where was god when the gun shop let that guy buy a gun? Where was god when that guy walked into that room and opened fire on the innocent. They're dead now. They died in suffering. That's worse than just dying. God invented a world in which such suffering and murder can happen? If God created everything, he had to create evil. Humans cannot create matter or organization in the universe. God created Satan, and knew what would happen before it did. If God did not know, then he is not the creator. Yes, now I will quote Epicurus:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

When and how does God prevent or help situations like this. Students at NIU have prayed for this not to happen, because there were threats earlier this year. It happened anyway. Praying has failed once again, for the one trillionth time. God did nothing to save the 5 dead kids. I seriously doubt Satan only causes men to kill, who were really mentally ill to begin with.
 

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I think its pretty clear by now police and Campus Security cannot protect students. Its up to us to defend ourselves and our fellow citizens from these mass murderers. Stop on-campus gun bans NOW!
 
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You can't say something like that after something like this...
Some dumb white kids, who never struggled to live, never lived with real loss. These ignorant males, who don't know what suffering is.


couldn't even believe in a God who would allow crap like this to happen. Where was god when the gun shop let that guy buy a gun? Where was god when that guy walked into that room and opened fire on the innocent. They're dead now. They died in suffering. That's worse than just dying. God invented a world in which such suffering and murder can happen? If God created everything, he had to create evil. Humans cannot create matter or organization in the universe. God created Satan, and knew what would happen before it did. If God did not know, then he is not the creator. Yes, now I will quote Epicurus:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

When and how does God prevent or help situations like this. Students at NIU have prayed for this not to happen, because there were threats earlier this year. It happened anyway. Praying has failed once again, for the one trillionth time. God did nothing to save the 5 dead kids. I seriously doubt Satan only causes men to kill, who were really mentally ill to begin with.

Then take down your false colors. Or are you just venting frustration?


BTW, while I agree Satan alone doesn't casue men to kill, I point out that those who believe such also are likley to attribute mental illness to Satan.

People need to be discouraged from owning a gun.
You think THAT will make more responsible gun owners?

Yeah, kids can use knives to kill, but knives don't slaughter whole rooms of people.
You can also easily run down many people in a vehicle. And then there's explosives.

Heck, people kill people with cars a lot more than they do with guns.

Guns need to not be so Romanticized in our society.
 
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I'm educated enough not to resort to violence to get what I want and need

Yeah, that's why you're for Big Government, supporting all sorts of regulations backed up by gunmen.


I don't entirely diagree with your post though. Society needs to stop glorifying violence and encourage responsible gun ownership. I can't help but see a horrible double standard in gun control advocates; they fear citizens with guns, but not Governments.
 
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I think its pretty clear by now police and Campus Security cannot protect students. Its up to us to defend ourselves and our fellow citizens from these mass murderers. Stop on-campus gun bans NOW!

QFT.

People should have learned this at Columbine when the cops and vaunted SWAT teams didn't rush in.

And then there was Cho, lots of cops on campus from teh earlier shooting, and they didn't move on him until they had a ton of cops stacked up outside the building.

You might say such actions were perfectly in line with the cops wanting to stay safe, but that's the point; why should you expect or rely on police to risk their lives to save yours?
 
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Yeah, that's why you're for Big Government, supporting all sorts of regulations backed up by gunmen.


I don't entirely diagree with your post though. Society needs to stop glorifying violence and encourage responsible gun ownership. I can't help but see a horrible double standard in gun control advocates; they fear citizens with guns, but not Governments.
What you're saying is that we need guns to protect ourselves from the government? I'm not for total gun control. People can be responsible with their guns. Others, however, are not. I don't have answers for everything. Yes, I'm venting. But violence should definitely be discouraged. I don't know that owning guns for self defense against our ever growing dictatorship of a government will save us from it. I suppose there isn't too much we can do to stop psychos from doing these kinds of things, but I feel we can do something to at least help stop some of it. I don't want people to lose the right to own guns, but I wish there was some regulation. If people are that willing to get a gun to shoot game, they most likely will be able to even with some stricter gun laws. At least gun shop owners could easily do background checks, like other businesses can.
 
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What you're saying is that we need guns to protect ourselves from the government?
We need guns for protection from those who would harm us.

People can be responsible with their guns. Others, however, are not.
Of course, as with anything.

I don't have answers for everything. Yes, I'm venting. But violence should definitely be discouraged.
Of course .

I don't know that owning guns for self defense against our ever growing dictatorship of a government will save us from it.
It probably woudn't at this point. A government should not be allowed to become more powerful than it's citizenry, and the USA has failed miserably in that regard.

That's what I find eery about most gun controllers, they want citizens disarmed but not the State.

If were a simple matter of training, they would be pushing for mandatory saftey classes and not bans. I can't help but think they are simply Elitists.

I suppose there isn't too much we can do to stop psychos from doing these kinds of things, but I feel we can do something to at least help stop some of it
Unfortunately a psycho set on killing a bunch of people is likely to find a way regardless of regulations. Helping them not be psychos in the first place or spotting them and putting them in the pscho ward would be better.

Really, people whos background check would disqulaify them being trusted with a gun probably should not be in society to beign with.

I don't want people to lose the right to own guns, but I wish there was some regulation.
There's already a ton of regulation.


If people are that willing to get a gun to shoot game, they most likely will be able to even with some stricter gun laws. At least gun shop owners could easily do background checks, like other businesses can

Guns used to shoot game aren't ussually the target of anti-gun laws though. Right now it's "asualt weapons" and handguns people are afraid of, although once they're down "sniper rifles" might come next.

Gun shops already do background checks.
 
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Our goverment has reduced the "psycho wards"
funding to almost nill.
The worst ones are kept, and those that are questionable are let go. For a chance for a more normal life. They aren't made to follow up with anyone, and if they don't want "help" they just don't go to the appoinment, and no one researches to make sure they follow up.
So even if the person was comitted to the psych ward, they probably would be released and fall through the cracks.
Any person bent on harming people will do it to some degree. Even without firearms, people can harm alot of people very quickly.
People need to be their brothers keeper, if the person isn't handling situations well, tell someone. Suicide is
a big problem, too. Either way someone is going to get hurt, so watch your friends, and watch the kid that no one is friends with. They could be the next person that dies, homicide or suicide, someone still dies.
I believe this shooter could have done more damage to more people in another setting, so I am glad it was in a limited classroom setting, and not in an auditorium or at security check outside a stadium.
Gun control and waiting periods aren't the answer. Its people control, helping someone out that isn't coping.
Getting a person to listen to the frustrations that every person feels, but some can't handle.
Every person can murder. But only a few actually do it
 
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Every day people are sharing gun free zones with nuts who carry guns. We only hear of the times when one of these nuts opens fire. How did we get this stupid in so short a time?

Think about it. If gun free zones work, why do the police wear guns in gun free zones? They should not need guns in a gun free zone, after all, there are no guns in a gun free zone, right?
I'll go along with gun free zones when the police refuse to bring guns into them. A cops gun is for his personal protection, that's a fact. If I can't protect myself, then he can't self protect either.

Again, where are our brains?
 
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Shooter had a
12 gauge shotgun
9mm
and .22 caliber.

The shotgun would have been a lot worse had he cut the barrel down, the blast area would have been much wider. Meaning more people hit per shot.
He stood reloading while people scrambled to flee or just hide.
People, if he is reloaing he isn't watching his victims as much. If you can't flight, don't surpress the fight instinct. Tackle him, he had more guns, but when wrestling on the ground its hard to pull a pistol and fire effectively.
When faced with an ambush, either flee, or charge the ambush sight. Don't just lay there and do nothing. Doing nothing means death to more people, and maybe even you.
 
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I agree with the idea of what you're saying Bill, but not everyone is able, from within themselves, to go there, even to the point of losing their life over it.

I'm not sure what to think of stuff like this anymore... other than it is a product of society as a whole, and not just of one race, gender, religion, nation or anything else.
 
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