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AnarKiss said:Just interested in your views on the Nicene Creed - where it fits into your faith, and into Christianity generally?
[I've just been informed by CF moderators that I cannot display a Christian icon without ascribing to the Nicene Creed]
I look forward to your replies.
Ok, so we're saying we only have one true God, and all other 'gods' are idols and meaningless. That seperates us from quite a few other religions.We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
Here we are basicly stating that we believe Christ is God's Son, God himself, in human form. He was with/is the Father, and was there at creation.We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
Here it states that Christ died for our sins, and rose from the grave 3 days later to ascend into Heaven to sit at the right hand of God, where he will judge all mankind.For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
Holy Spirit, God's third form to mankind. Basicly, in my mind, this is the 'breath of God'.We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
Now, Catholic can stand for the Roman Catholic church, or it can stand for "Universal" church, meaning all of the denominations.We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
And Finally we have where we confirm where it says we must be born again, of water and spirit, and that in the end, the dead shall come back to stand at the last judgement.We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
I have happily subscribed to everything in the Nicene Creed, in either its Western or (later) Eastern version as long as I can remember. But I think creedal formulae are improper criteria for defining who is and who is not a Christian; that's why I don't display the Christian icon on CF.AnarKiss said:Just interested in your views on the Nicene Creed - where it fits into your faith, and into Christianity generally?
[I've just been informed by CF moderators that I cannot display a Christian icon without ascribing to the Nicene Creed]
I look forward to your replies.
AnarKiss said:Just interested in your views on the Nicene Creed - where it fits into your faith, and into Christianity generally?
[I've just been informed by CF moderators that I cannot display a Christian icon without ascribing to the Nicene Creed]
I look forward to your replies.
You presumably trust the Holy Spirit to have directed the people who wrote the bible, and you presumably trust the Holy Spirit to have directed the people who sorted out which books should make up the bible, so why is it so unreasonable to trust the Holy Spirit to have guided those who authored the "Nicene" Creed?calebnostro said:I dont trust creeds made by fallible human beings, I trust the Bible
So nothing that can be deduced from what it does say, then?and what it states directly - nothing more and nothing less.
ebia said:You presumably trust the Holy Spirit to have directed the people who wrote the bible, and you presumably trust the Holy Spirit to have directed the people who sorted out which books should make up the bible, so why is it so unreasonable to trust the Holy Spirit to have guided those who authored the "Nicene" Creed?
Ah, so you don't agree with because you don't agree with it, rather than there being something clearly and fundamentally different about it's claimed nature to that of the bible.calebnostro said:Tell me, does the Nicene creed teach only One God, like Judaism teaches, or One God as a Trinity?
ebia said:Ah, so you don't agree with because you don't agree with it, rather than there being something clearly and fundamentally different about it's claimed nature to that of the bible.
The Creed is very clearly Trinitarian. However, it's a mischaracterization of Trinitarianism to say it teaches more than one God. (I know you asked Ebia, but you didn't ask privately.calebnostro said:There is no indication that that is the reason as to why I asked you that question, Ebia. Its a valid question and is very important if you want to hear my answer.
AnarKiss said:Just interested in your views on the Nicene Creed - where it fits into your faith, and into Christianity generally?
[I've just been informed by CF moderators that I cannot display a Christian icon without ascribing to the Nicene Creed]
I look forward to your replies.
AnarKiss said:Just interested in your views on the Nicene Creed - where it fits into your faith, and into Christianity generally?
[I've just been informed by CF moderators that I cannot display a Christian icon without ascribing to the Nicene Creed]
I look forward to your replies.
TheListener said:If you think the Nicene creed is flawed then you should probably read your Bible a bit more, especially the Gospels and the book of Romans.
I presumed it was a rhetorical question because:calebnostro said:There is no indication that that is the reason as to why I asked you that question, Ebia. Its a valid question and is very important if you want to hear my answer.
PastorJason said:I see the Nicene Creed as I do most other creeds - nice, concise ways for some folks to declare a systematic theology. I do, however, feel the spirit of the Campbell-Stone tradition when I say (and this is quite contrary to CF policy, but bear with me) that the use of creeds as tests of fellowship or membership is sinful, and stands over against the open fellowship practiced by Jesus. I think if one can declare that they believe that Jesus is the Christ, that is the sole "test" of whether or not one is Christian.
While I agree with the spirit of the Nicene Creed, what I mean when I read the words may be (and probably is) quite different than what others may say about the same phrases.
However, I also use a Christian-based icon because I am indeed a disciple of the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth, and consider myself Christian - although I may not be seen that way by others on these forums. It's a self-declared faith stance, in my opinion.
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