Nicene Creed

[Carrye]

People know how weird I am and I don't care.

If 'weird' is now equated with 'orthodoxy', then I say bring it on!

 

[ZooMom]

Our priest solved that problem (of people leaving early) by not beginning the recessional until the last chorus of the closing hymn. No-one is quite cheeky enough to leave with him still standing by the altar, since there isn't any way to 'slip out'.

We bow at the announcement of the Incarnation during the Creed, too. Not everyone in my church does, but quite a few do. And something I have been wondering about...we no longer say the Act of Penitence. Father asks us, after the greeting, to 'call to mind our sins' which we all do silently, then we go right into the Kyrie. We used to say the act out loud, and now we just 'call our sins to mind' silently. Does that suffice for the Act of Penitence in the Order of the Mass?

 

[Michelina]

Our priest solved that problem (of people leaving early) by not beginning the recessional until the last chorus of the closing hymn. No-one is quite cheeky enough to leave with him still standing by the altar, since there isn't any way to 'slip out'.

We bow at the announcement of the Incarnation during the Creed, too. Not everyone in my church does, but quite a few do. And something I have been wondering about...we no longer say the Act of Penitence. Father asks us, after the greeting, to 'call to mind our sins' which we all do silently, then we go right into the Kyrie. We used to say the act out loud, and now we just 'call our sins to mind' silently. Does that suffice for the Act of Penitence in the Order of the Mass?

If that's a legit option, Sandy, I have never heard of it.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

I strike my breast 3x when I say "My Lord and My God" at the Consecration. Ps139 & PP's Canon Police turn the other way when they see this.

LOL!! I also say "My Lord and my God"- and I add "I beleive, please help my unbelief". SOmetimes I whisper to my kids after that a song we liek that goes "My God I believe- I adore, I hope and I love you. My eyes cannot see, but heart truly knows."

I used to strike my breast- but stopped as an act of obedience- much like that whole genuflecting before receiving issue... somedays it is still so very difficult to submit...

 

[ZooMom]

If that's a legit option, Sandy, I have never heard of it.

Well, now what?

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Well, now what?

After the Kyrie does your priest say "May Almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life. Amen."? And then sing the Gloria??

That is okay- the Confietior is not required- it is one of about three valid options for the Penitential Rite.

 

[ZooMom]

After the Kyrie does your priest say "May Almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life. Amen."? And then sing the Gloria??

Yes.

That is okay- the Confietior is not required- it is one of about three valid options for the Penitential Rite.

Well, shoot...I liked saying it out loud. As a community. *pout*

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Yes.


Well, shoot...I liked saying it out loud. As a community. *pout*

I do too! We do during the week, but not on SUndays.

You could always ask you pastor why you don't and tell him how much you liked it- you never know what seeds might be planted....

 

[geocajun]

In my missal, it says 'Bow here' so I do. I think me and one priest are the only ones that do

hahaha, thats exactly how I feel in my parish

 

[Paul S]

How many people put there hand on their heart and "hit" it 3 times when the priest shows the body and blood? I was told this was an older traditon by some people.

In the TLM, my missal says to strike one's breast at each Domine, non sum dignus (Lord, I am not worthy), which like in the NO, is immediately after the priest shows the Host to the congregation and says Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi. (Behold the Lamb of God, behold he who takes away the sins of the world).

I don't see anything about this in my NO missal. By the way, if you're wondering why it specifically mentions that the Domine, non sum dignus is said once only, it's because it used to be said three times (actually six, thrice by the priest just before he receives, and then thrice by the congregation before they receive).

Regarding the penitential rite, there's three options, all of which are allowed. Form A is the Confiteor plus the Misereatur, plus the Kyrie.

Form B is this, followed by the Kyrie.
P: Lord, we have sinned against you.
C: Lord, have mercy.
P: Lord, show us your mercy and love.
C: And grant us your salvation.
P: May almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life.
C: Amen.

Form C:
P: You were sent to heal the contrite: Lord, have mercy.
C: Lord have mercy.
P: You came to call sinners: Christ, have mercy
C: Christ, have mercy.
P: You plead for us at the right hand of the Father: Lord, have mercy.
C: Lord, have mercy.
P: May almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life.
C: Amen.

 

[Radagast]

In former times, Catholics knelt when they came to that line.

Why? Because it refers to the miracle of the Incarnation which is our salvation and sanctification.

And many still do!

-- Radagast

 

[prodromos]

I've got a quick question of the Nicene Creed. In the church that I am currently attending, whenever we say the part "By the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the virgin Mary, and became man," the entire congregation bows their heads.

Ahem
The above is from the Apostle's Creed, NOT the Nicene Creed. Is this what is used in Mass? Don't you use the Nicene creed?

John.

 

[ZooMom]

I'm sorry John, but those are the words in the Nicene Creed as well.

I think some churches use the words 'became incarnate of the Virgin Mary', but we say 'born of the Virgin Mary'. Does it not mean the same?

 

[Paul S]

The Apostle's Creed has qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine, passus sub Pontio Pilato - who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate.

The Nicene Creed has et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto, ex Maria Virgine, et homo factus est - and was made incarnate by the Holy Ghost, of the Virgin Mary, and was made man. The official translation for Mass is what DreamTheater said - by the power of the Holy Spirit, he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

So you're both right. In English, we say "born of the Virgin Mary", but the word natus is in the Apostle's Creed, not the Nicene.

In the draft of the new translation, it instructs us to bow and says "and by the Holy Spirit became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man." I guess ICEL thought the word "incarnate" was too confusing 30 years ago. The new translation also gets the verb right - it has "I believe" instead of "We believe".

Here's the new translation:

I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God, born of the Father before time began. God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father: through whom all things were made. Who for us and for our salvation came down from heaven,

and by the Holy Spirit became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man.

Crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life: who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who together with the Father and Son is worshipped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and I await the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.


This one's closer to the Latin, but there's a few things I'd change, most importantly adding "for us men" back in there. Hopefully the Vatican will require that.

 

[prodromos]

I think some churches use the words 'became incarnate of the Virgin Mary', but we say 'born of the Virgin Mary'. Does it not mean the same?

"Born of the Virgin Mary" leaves too much wiggle room for heretics who like to think Christ was literally poured through Mary's womb. They can argue that He didn't take His flesh from her. "Incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary is much more concise and explicit, leaving no wiggle room for heresy .