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Newsflash: YECs secure release of criminals

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The nation is in an uproar today as Young Earth Creationists (YECs) succeed in a supreme court bid to release thousands of criminals from prison.

Thousands of rapists, murderers and other felons have had their convictions overturned, following a ruling that results of forensic science are inadmissible in a criminal trial.

The court case which led to the ruling was initiated by a popular YEC organisation, Evidence in Genesis (EiG). EiG strongly believes that science is totally unreliable at revealing past events.

"It is pure arrogance that a human scientist can presume to piece together the past," EiG spokesman Ken Bacon said in a media conference outside court. "The scientific method cannot be applied to historical events. By definition, science must be repeatable."

Prosecutors have come to depend heavily upon forensic science in the last few decades. Countless guilty verdicts have been secured through the scientific analysis of crime scenes and forensic evidence.

"Only God can reliably tell us about the past", commented Bacon. "Man's science is, at best, speculative and theoretical."

"How can you know that the past which you are analysing worked the same as our science lab today? That is the assumption forensic science makes, it is an utterly foolish and fallacious assumption. It is an evolutionary approach to science and we condemn it."

When asked about their success, Bacon said "This is a very pleasing result. It shows that we need to be careful how we view science, especially when it attempts to provide answers about past events which cannot be repeated."

Bacon told reporters that EiG has been motivated by this win to continue their campaign against "historical" or "origins" science. Their next aim is to remove the teaching of ancient history from public schools -- since much of ancient history depends upon scientific analysis of archeological finds.

Forensic scientists from the nation's leading criminology departments are planning to appeal the ruling.

- Ruuters
 

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In further breaking news, EiG is mulling legal action against the Constitution's provisions for the legal system, citing its dependence on human rationality as defamation against God.

EiG spokesman Ken Bacon explains: "Real science is based on God's Word - any evidence that supports hypotheses contained therein is valid, while any evidence that appears not to must clearly be false. Considering all evidence fairly and objectively is a humanistic fallacy which assumes beforehand that man can discover anything independently of God. Of course, all evidence makes complete sense within their framework, but it makes more completely complete sense within our framework, and thus we are emboldened to try to extend our Scriptural philosophy to the courts."

"The jury system and the imposition of judges who judge apart from the Bible's clear words are clearly an insult to God by man who thinks that he is fit to judge without God. Man cannot find justice without God just as man cannot find science without God. Therefore we propose that the trial system should be incrementally supplanted by what we call the "test of faith" system - an intercessor shall be assigned to each case of suspected crime and if the intercessor believes that God's Word indicts the person then the person is guilty."

When asked how his group knew that they were correctly interpreting the Bible, Bacon replied, "We know that we have read the Word of God correctly because the Word of God says so."

Internal documents which were publicly released without the groups consent reveal a long-term strategy which also includes, among other points of action,

- replacing all doctors with "prayer warriors" and making medical research illegal, since Scripture only prescribes prayer for sickness
- creating universities for mental freedom from evolutionary mind-control, offering subjects like astrology and phrenology
- outlawing genetic algorithm research
- introducing "21-E - Contains unsuitable evolutionary assumptions" ratings for mass media information

"This is an extremely dangerous precedent," our resident legal advisor Kannot Mill'er comments. "They fail to take into consideration that the absolute truth they are trying to access must necessarily be heavily filtered by their preconceptions, the problem being exacerbated by the fact that they are totally ignorant of their preconceptions. This causes the extreme subjectivization of ideally objective truths like science and history, which affects the very nature of human knowledge itself. If they don't watch themselves they may create far more than just a constitutional crisis."
 
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I think what everyone needs to remember here is that everyone has different viewpoints on YEC/OEC/TheEvo etc.

Personally, I am a YEC. However I do respect that some people have a different take on it. I base this belief of what the bible says and scientific evidence but you know what, I wasnt around at the time the earth was created so I cant say for sure (although I have prayed about it).

Anyways, I just thought I'd let you know that YEC's aren't a pack of raving lunies. We just have a different take on creation.

Hopefully we'll all sit back and discuss it in heaven.

God Bless
 
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Anyways, I just thought I'd let you know that YEC's aren't a pack of raving lunies. We just have a different take on creation.

well, enough of your fellow travellers are meshugeh thus tainting the whole group.
it is revealing that parodies of YECism are not detected as sarcasm but as real people's ideas. check out several here who argue, for instance, that the earth didn't revolve until Adam sinned.
 
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There are some extremests out there with some really warped ideas. But to be honest you can pretty muchfind them in any and every group regardless of the topic.

Personally, I believe that the Bible is the word of God that I trust 100% and I just don't think science has been able to completely prove evolution 100%.

But yeah, some people can carry on a bit but I did pick up the fact thatt they were parodies. I just wanted to let you know that the majority of us YEC's are normal people.

God Bless
 
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aussie4god said:
I just don't think science has been able to completely prove evolution 100%.

And that might be because it doesn't try to. How can you prove anything 100% if you will never have 100% of the supporting evidence?

All scientists claim is that on the basis of currently available evidence, evolution is the best theory to explain it. It's not about proving anything 100%.
 
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aussie4god said:
That being said, science isn't the main basis of my beliefs on origin. The Bible is purely where I derive my beliefs from.

I think that's dangerous. Although the Bible is the infallible authority in matters of faith, it can hardly be said that it is the only authority.
 
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Personally, I believe that the Bible is the word of God that I trust 100% and I just don't think science has been able to completely prove evolution 100%.

But yeah, some people can carry on a bit but I did pick up the fact thatt they were parodies. I just wanted to let you know that the majority of us YEC's are normal people.


1. science doesn't prove anything. it demonstrates evidence beyond reasonable doubt (using legal terminology).

2. my favorite YECist parody that was so good it fooled most everyone is the creationist science fair.


i don't know how many of the links still work. but you can use the wayback machine to find them anyhow.
 
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aussie4god said:
I'm just not convinced.

Yes, that's more honest. And usually the people who are not convinced are those that are least familiar with the evidence.



In fact all that is really provable is that life as we know it now came about very suddenly around 6-7k ago.

Even if we limit ourselves to modern species, we can go a good deal farther back than that. Our own species goes back over 100,000 years. And the first evidence of life goes back 3.8 billion years.

That being said, science isn't the main basis of my beliefs on origin. The Bible is purely where I derive my beliefs from.

Science is my primary source of knowledge on origins. The bible is a primary source of my faith on origins. I don't find them incompatible.
 
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I'm appalled at the original post. Is this what passes for Christian discourse here?
It thought it was comedic gold. It might be construed as offensive if those very same arguments were falsely attributed to YECists. But they're not!
I don't know whether to or .
 
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Another thing to note is the subversion of a genre assumed to have historical significance (news report) to relate an obviously non-historical event. How does one know that jereth's and my simulated news reports are not actually describing real events? We cannot determine from the information system alone whether or not they are real events; namely, the information system is underdetermined.

To determine whether this apparently historical narrative is describing real events, one has to examine other records to see if the event has taken place. The information type of the system can only be determined by referring to an external reality within which the system is embedded.

This is an important point to note for YECs. Even if Genesis 1 was a historical-genre writing (which many believe it is not), that would not automatically validate their version of the creation of the cosmos.
 
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