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[Patricio]

Yeah I must admit... The beginning is always the hardest part.

It's 2:51 PM as I am typing these words. I started writing a draft at about 5:30 AM as the sounds of the singing crickets were beginning to wane. After a glass of water to wake me up, I finished a lengthy introduction about myself but immediately scrapped and throw it away after realizing how narcissistic and annoyingly highbrow I sounded.

I guess for now this word, "Grafted In" would suffice as a description for myself.

Since many people are confused and not familiar by this term, I reckon these term needs some explaining. I've been Googling for definitions of the word "grafted in" but what I've been getting were just as unclear.

But eventually I found a nice answer!

Where, you may ask...? Well here... in my Bible!

In Romans 11:17-24, Rabbi Shaul wrote:

"But if some of the branches were broken off, and you - a wild olive - were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, then don't boast as if you were better than the branches! However, if you do boast, remember that you are not supporting the root, the root is supporting you. So you will say, Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However, you keep your place only because of your trust. So don't be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified! For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly won't spare you! So take a good look at God's kindness and his severity: on the one hand, severity toward those who fell off; but, on the other hand, God's kindness toward you - provided you maintain yourself in that kindness! Otherwise, you too will be cut off! Moreover, the others, if they do not persist in their lack of trust, will be grafted in; because God is able to graft them back in. For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!"

I decided to use the word because that is how we describe ourselves...

--> Rabbi Shaul likened us (believers of Messiah Yeshua) to wild olive branches grafted into the cultivated olive tree of Israel.

And since this is the basis of our acceptance by the Elohim of Israel, I as a wild olive explores the implications of this relationship.

I want to feel true resTORAHtion, and see and learn more how I can draw nourishment from my Hebraic roots.

And as for my first step to restoration, I am now trying to observe the Torah of Adonai. Yeshua was completely Torah observant, Shabbat Keeper, Tallit-wearing and feast -keeping Jew so as a Gentile believer, I desire to imitate Yeshua and follow his steps.

Well I register here in order for me to share my beliefs and opinions as well, especially on Torah-based studies and Israel. Some may not agree with what I write, but this is the Internet: there is always somebody out there who's bound to disagree with you. I'm not gonna be trying to proclaim the Truth anyway, just my own smelly personal brain-farts. I just hope I'd be able to pull this Forum thing nicely.

Shalom to all!

 

[GuardianShua]

The Grafted Branch of Israel.


Yahshua said we are a grafted BRANCH into Israel; that means that Christians are now Israel in the new covenant. The elect have become the seed of Abraham and a Jew is one by election and not birth.

Jeremiah 31:31 "The time is coming", declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel." See also: Gen 35:10-11, Ex 20:8-10, Lev 19:34, Isa 9:3, Isa 26:15, Isa 44:5, Isa 46:13, Isa 56:3-6-8, Isa 62:2, Isa 65:15, and the examples go on.

John 1:12- "sons of God"
John 11:52- "gathering together in one the children of God."
Rom 8:14-16- "are the children of God"
2Cr 6:18- "shall be my sons and daughters"
Gal 4:5-7- "heir of God through Christ"
1John 3:2- "we should be called sons of God."
Rom 9:6-7- "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"
Gal 4:25-30.."are the children of promise"
Gal 3:7.."which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham"
Gal 3:29.."And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Rom 2:29.."But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God."
2Cr 6:16.."I will be their God and they shall be my people."
Eph 2:12-19.."That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, (enmity means hostility) [even / toward] the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of [twain / us] one new man, so making peace;
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the [cross / stake], having slain the enmity (hostility) thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were far away, and to them that were near. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;"

1Peter 2:9. "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, and holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
Which in time past (were not) a people, but (are now) the people of God: which hand not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."

John 17:22.."And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."

• Isaiah 4:2
[ The Branch of the LORD ] In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of the survivors in Israel.

• Isaiah 11:1
[ The Branch From Jesse ] A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

• Jeremiah 23:5
“The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

• Jeremiah 33:15
“‘In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David’s line; he will do what is just and right in the land.

• Zechariah 3:8
“‘Listen, High Priest Joshua, you and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch.

• Zechariah 6:12
Tell him this is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the LORD.

• John 15:1
[ The Vine and the Branches ] “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.

• John 15:2
He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.

• John 15:4
Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

• John 15:5
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

• John 15:6
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

• Romans 11:11
[ Ingrafted Branches ] Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.

• Romans 11:16
If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

• Romans 11:17
If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,

• Romans 11:18
do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

• Romans 11:19
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”

• Romans 11:21
For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

• Romans 11:24
After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

 

[GuardianShua]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Exodus 25:32[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']
Six branches are to extend from the sides of the lampstand—three on one side and three on the other.[/FONT]

 

[Steve Petersen]

In the Talmud, Yevamoth 63a there is a story about how God said he would graft Gentiles into Abraham; Ruth and Naamah are mentioned there.

R. Eleazar further stated: What is meant by the text, And in thee shall the families of the earth be blessed? The Holy One, blessed be He, said to Abraham, 'I have two goodly shoots to engraft on you: Ruth the Moabitess and Naamah the Ammonitess'. All the families of the earth, even the other families who live on the earth are blessed only for Israel's sake. All the nations of the earth, even the ships that go from Gaul to Spain are blessed only for Israel's sake.

Perhaps this story was around in oral form in Paul's day and he used it as a springboard for his passage, or perhaps the influence worked from Paul to the sages. Either case is interesting to me.

 

[Diakoneo10]

Welcome I'm also a newbie but in more senses than you are obviously! Enjoy!

 

[Patricio]

The Grafted Branch of Israel.

Yahshua said we are a grafted BRANCH into Israel; that means that Christians are now Israel in the new covenant. The elect have become the seed of Abraham and a Jew is one by election and not birth.

I agree, therefore, since "grafted in" Christians are now part of Israel, this means they are expected to do and obey the Torah of the Hebrews.

 

[Patricio]

In the Talmud, Yevamoth 63a there is a story about how God said he would graft Gentiles into Abraham; Ruth and Naamah are mentioned there.



Perhaps this story was around in oral form in Paul's day and he used it as a springboard for his passage, or perhaps the influence worked from Paul to the sages. Either case is interesting to me.

Well yeah, since even in the ancient days, Adonai had already put the the Gentiles in His redemptive plan as we see in this verses:

Exodus 12:49:
The same teaching is to apply equally to the citizen and to the foreigner living among you.

Isaiah 56:6-8:
"And the foreigners who join themselves to ADONAI to serve him, to love the name of ADONAI, and to be his workers, all who keep Shabbat and do not profane it, and hold fast to my covenant, I will bring them to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all peoples." Adonai ELOHIM says, he who gathers Isra'el's exiles: "There are yet others I will gather, besides those gathered already."

 

[Patricio]

Welcome I'm also a newbie but in more senses than you are obviously! Enjoy!

Thank you for your welcome Diakoneo!!!

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Yeah I must admit... The beginning is always the hardest part.

It's 2:51 PM as I am typing these words. I started writing a draft at about 5:30 AM as the sounds of the singing crickets were beginning to wane. After a glass of water to wake me up, I finished a lengthy introduction about myself but immediately scrapped and throw it away after realizing how narcissistic and annoyingly highbrow I sounded.

I guess for now this word, "Grafted In" would suffice as a description for myself.

Since many people are confused and not familiar by this term, I reckon these term needs some explaining. I've been Googling for definitions of the word "grafted in" but what I've been getting were just as unclear.

But eventually I found a nice answer!

Where, you may ask...? Well here... in my Bible!

In Romans 11:17-24, Rabbi Shaul wrote:

"But if some of the branches were broken off, and you - a wild olive - were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, then don't boast as if you were better than the branches! However, if you do boast, remember that you are not supporting the root, the root is supporting you. So you will say, Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However, you keep your place only because of your trust. So don't be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified! For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly won't spare you! So take a good look at God's kindness and his severity: on the one hand, severity toward those who fell off; but, on the other hand, God's kindness toward you - provided you maintain yourself in that kindness! Otherwise, you too will be cut off! Moreover, the others, if they do not persist in their lack of trust, will be grafted in; because God is able to graft them back in. For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!"

I decided to use the word because that is how we describe ourselves...

--> Rabbi Shaul likened us (believers of Messiah Yeshua) to wild olive branches grafted into the cultivated olive tree of Israel.

And since this is the basis of our acceptance by the Elohim of Israel, I as a wild olive explores the implications of this relationship.

I want to feel true resTORAHtion, and see and learn more how I can draw nourishment from my Hebraic roots.

And as for my first step to restoration, I am now trying to observe the Torah of Adonai. Yeshua was completely Torah observant, Shabbat Keeper, Tallit-wearing and feast -keeping Jew so as a Gentile believer, I desire to imitate Yeshua and follow his steps.

Well I register here in order for me to share my beliefs and opinions as well, especially on Torah-based studies and Israel. Some may not agree with what I write, but this is the Internet: there is always somebody out there who's bound to disagree with you. I'm not gonna be trying to proclaim the Truth anyway, just my own smelly personal brain-farts. I just hope I'd be able to pull this Forum thing nicely.

Shalom to all!

Glad you decided to jump in and praying you'd enjoy your time here and that the journey you're on would be blessed Shalom

 

[Patricio]

Glad you decided to jump in and praying you'd enjoy your time here and that the journey you're on would be blessed Shalom

I enjoy looking around actually, many folks here have massive input!!! I really enjoy reading them...

 

[yedida]

Yeah I must admit... The beginning is always the hardest part.

It's 2:51 PM as I am typing these words. I started writing a draft at about 5:30 AM as the sounds of the singing crickets were beginning to wane. After a glass of water to wake me up, I finished a lengthy introduction about myself but immediately scrapped and throw it away after realizing how narcissistic and annoyingly highbrow I sounded.

I guess for now this word, "Grafted In" would suffice as a description for myself.

Since many people are confused and not familiar by this term, I reckon these term needs some explaining. I've been Googling for definitions of the word "grafted in" but what I've been getting were just as unclear.

But eventually I found a nice answer!

Where, you may ask...? Well here... in my Bible!

In Romans 11:17-24, Rabbi Shaul wrote:

"But if some of the branches were broken off, and you - a wild olive - were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, then don't boast as if you were better than the branches! However, if you do boast, remember that you are not supporting the root, the root is supporting you. So you will say, Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However, you keep your place only because of your trust. So don't be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified! For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly won't spare you! So take a good look at God's kindness and his severity: on the one hand, severity toward those who fell off; but, on the other hand, God's kindness toward you - provided you maintain yourself in that kindness! Otherwise, you too will be cut off! Moreover, the others, if they do not persist in their lack of trust, will be grafted in; because God is able to graft them back in. For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!"

I decided to use the word because that is how we describe ourselves...

--> Rabbi Shaul likened us (believers of Messiah Yeshua) to wild olive branches grafted into the cultivated olive tree of Israel.

And since this is the basis of our acceptance by the Elohim of Israel, I as a wild olive explores the implications of this relationship.

I want to feel true resTORAHtion, and see and learn more how I can draw nourishment from my Hebraic roots.

And as for my first step to restoration, I am now trying to observe the Torah of Adonai. Yeshua was completely Torah observant, Shabbat Keeper, Tallit-wearing and feast -keeping Jew so as a Gentile believer, I desire to imitate Yeshua and follow his steps.

Well I register here in order for me to share my beliefs and opinions as well, especially on Torah-based studies and Israel. Some may not agree with what I write, but this is the Internet: there is always somebody out there who's bound to disagree with you. I'm not gonna be trying to proclaim the Truth anyway, just my own smelly personal brain-farts. I just hope I'd be able to pull this Forum thing nicely.

Shalom to all!

Welcome to our little corner of CF!
Don't worry too much whether we will understand a term, we'll ask for clarification if we don't understand something

 

[xDenax]

It probably comes to no surprise to you that I am not a fan of the "grated in" idea but welcome to the forum.

 

[ChavaK]

Yes, welcome to the forum!

 

[Patricio]

Thanks For Your Warm Welcome Guys!!!

 

[visionary]

Welcome to our little corner.... From the sounds of it, you will fit right in, squabble like all brothers and sisters do and still love one another... May you be richly blessed and mind sharpened as we converse the scriptures for enlightenment.

 

[Patricio]

Thank You visionary!