New world order

[RKF]

We now have a world court, world bank, world trade org., Earth charter, or world eco,system. What's next world government. Jesus is coming soon.

 

[davo]

The New World Order, the New Age, the One World Government -we're in it now, Jesus established it -He reigns!:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (7) Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

davo

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

Originally posted by davo
The New World Order, the New Age, the One World Government -we're in it now, Jesus established it -He reigns!:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (7) Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

davo

Moderators,
This is another one pushing his non-believing view of the end times, denying that the second coming is in the future. He thinks His kingdom is here now. If this is it, where is the peace that will have no end??

Notice the scriptures above tell of a promised Kingdom. For unto us a child is born(present), unto us a son is given(present); and the government (will be) upon his shoulder(future). The Preterists say that when Titus and his Roman armies surrounded and destroyed Jerusalem, that was the fulfillment of the end times, but that is incorrect, and these preterist views should be removed from this forum. We need to get rid of these views once and for all, and start getting back all the active members that this forum has lost, it is almost dead. There is very little life left in it.

 

[NumberOneSon]

If Davo was presenting preterist doctrine then he shouldn't have posted it. You might want to check with him about the content of the post.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[coastie]

Please,

These issues can be handled by PMing a mod or Admin directly. Please continue the discussion.

Coastie

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

Originally posted by Acts6:5
If Davo was presenting preterist doctrine then he shouldn't have posted it. You might want to check with him about the content of the post.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

You can call it Preterist or whatever you want, but it is still placing the end times in the past, and therefore, he should not be posting. Just by not believing that the second coming is in the future, is grounds enough not to post at all, on any thread.

 

[NumberOneSon]

Notice I was agreeing with you, Thunder.

Yes, Coastie, let the discussion continue. I personally don't think a world government is tenable (that is not because of my eschatological views either). That would require entire governments to relinquish much of their authority and power, and I don't think they would take to kindly to that. I also don't see the possibility of different governments from different cultures, with different worldviews on a plethora of issues, being able to work in a unified fashion. But that's just me.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[coastie]

I differ in opinion becasue I believe that all people want anymore is a comfortable easy street life. If some guy in Europe said that if you decided that you wanted him to be the pres. of the world he'd lower taxes, end hunger, and make a more Utopic society, people would fall all over themselves.

It just takes the guy with an idea and the podium to shout it from.

I have a theory, and I've probably copied it from someone, but until I'm am told otherwise, I will call it mine

I believe that ultimately, the people of the world all surge toward one singular objective. And that is a higher authority. As much as people whine and cry about taxes and no freedom, they already give up their privacy when they get the Safeway Club Card just so that they can pay lower prices on groceries.

This proves my theory on a small scale. A large scale would be the many societies throughout the world that vote a very charasmatic leader into office and soon begin to trust his judgement without checking him(or her). Sooner or later that leader is given so much head room that he ultimately molds himself into a dictator (Sadam Hussein for instance).

 

[Mandy]

So you are saying that the anti-christ will usher in the new world order?

 

[NumberOneSon]

Hey Coastie, good stuff!

First of all, if a guy in Europe claimed that he could lower taxes, end hunger, and make paradise on earth, I do not believe people would fall all over each other. That's because "claiming" something is one thing, but actually implimenting it is another. Do the American people fall all over each other when an American presidential candidate "promises" to lower taxes, end unimployment, and save social security? No, we don't. Promises like that have been made before, yet it never really happens. Why would I believe some guy in Europe then? The world would have to see hard evidence that this guy's claims would work first. Only then would we start to believe. If economic bliss cannot be attained in the richest country in the world, what makes anyone think such prosperity can be achieved on a world-wide level?

Plus, I think you theory is based on your American worldview. Your small scale version is based only on an American worldview of life, with it's freedom of speach, liberty, and SafeWay cards; I, on the other hand, see a small scale version of your theory in Afghanistan; here we have numerous ethnic groups ruled by warlords, some with profound hatred toward each other, trying to be wooed into nationhood by an interim leader who wants to offer freedom, and economic growth, and future prosperity for the country if the warlords and the people would join together and make peace.

The interim leader wants to offer what you think is grand, Coastie: peace, economic stability and prosperity. But the warlords, and many of the people do not care about such things. Now that's just Afghanistan; think about this on a world-wide scale. Many cultures throughout the world do not believe in the "easy street life" or the American worldview. On a world-wide scale, with hundreds of different cultures, conflicting worldviews, and ethnic hatred, I can't see hundreds of governments relingishing their power to a new "interim leader".

Can you explain why world governments would be willing to relinquish their power to another man? It's like the Afghan warlords willfully relinquishing their governing power to Karzai; it's not happening. It's like Democrats willfully handing the reigns of the government over to Republicans; chickens would lay square eggs first! Do you get my point?

Nice talking with you, Coastie.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[RKF]

I don't think America will be totally apart of this one world government, the USA doesn't want to give up it's soveriegnty. But the rest of the world will and some has. look at what the Eu is doing to europe. one currency, one president that changes every six mo., but they want to stop that. Look in Daniel 7 there it names the beasts' or nations that will be in rule when the government takes control, there's the lion, britain, with eagles wings plucked off, USA, the bear, russia, the leopard, germany, but when they join together the wings aren't with them. Now russia is joining nato, that's scary. We had non americans patroling our skies last month. Now the UN is coming against the nation of Israel, they are taking a hard stance against them, Annan wants to get a UN led force in there to make them take to a peace treaty. By force if it comes to that. The time is short. The next step is for a peacemaker to come in and make a treaty between the two warring factors, which will allow the nation of Israel take control of Jerusalem and build the third temple. Watch and see!!!

 

[coastie]

So you are saying that the anti-christ will usher in the new world order?

I don't know for sure, but it's a possibility. I was unable to find anything in the Bible that would clear that question up for me.

Acts...

My examples were broad yet relative to the US. However, the UN is an example of a world government. It may not qualify as a government yet, and they are walked all over by anyone who doesn't like their ideas, but a basic patform is in place.

If the UN is someday successful at it's ultimate goal of free trade and world peace, many countries may follow suit and allow the UN the governing rights. This is what the EU wants.

Let's say that only the more powerful progressive nations fall into this category, the smaller or less influential will have no choice or they will be cut off from trade.

There are many hypothetical situations that can lead to a world goverment. I think it would be tough to conclusively say that there is no way that a world government would be attainable.

On a more broad and moderate scale... how would you feel about a "World Union" with a single leader or even a board of leaders with one chairman?

Zach

 

[RKF]

On a more broad and moderate scale... how would you feel about a "World Union" with a single leader or even a board of leaders with one chairman?

That's what the EU is. They are gaining strength every day.

 

[Mandy]

Originally posted by coastie


I don't know for sure, but it's a possibility. I was unable to find anything in the Bible that would clear that question up for me.

I was just curious. I think that it makes perfect sense.

 

[coastie]

RKF

hehehe... you saw what I was leading up to!

Good catch brother, eyes of a hawk

 

[coastie]

I was just curious. I think that it makes perfect sense.

I agree, it does. Whether or not that's God's plan I am unable to say conclusively.

 

[RKF]

They are a one worlds government that will seek to destroy any and all that oppose them. Look what they are doing to USA about the steel tariffs that we put on steel, now they want to tax everything that we send into Europe. And they are leading a team of peace keepers into Israel hmmmm sounds fishy to me.

 

[coastie]

They are a one worlds government that will seek to destroy any and all that oppose them.

I don't see them going after China. Go figure they are afraid of a Communist Nation but love to hate the US.

Unfortunately (or should I say fortunately), I do not believe that the EU has the fortitude or backbone to really cause any serious damage.

They are a volitile organization at best. Historically speaking, European countries are very fickle. If they decide they don't like the way something's done, they can it or fight it.

And they are leading a team of peace keepers into Israel hmmmm sounds fishy to me.

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It does, but the timeline doesn't seem quite right to me. Am I out of sync or are the events out of sync here.

Zach

 

[RKF]

The next war, I believe will be between USA and China, all because of taiwan. that is why china isn't meantioned in the end times scenario. IMO

The EU wants nato to join its forces with them to make a formidable army or police force

 

[coastie]

The EU wants nato to join its forces with them to make a formidable army or police force

China doesn't have the ethical aptitude to be a successful world power, IMHO.