This thread is becoming kind of crowded, and there are a lot of issues I would like to discuss and debate with Nick Petreley in a more organized way, so that we can stay on track until we have a chance (at least) to come to some kind of common ground. I'm going to pick out the most contentious points from that thread and quote them here:
Nick's characterization of the evidence for evolution
Nick. If this is what was done, even if this was a modest oversimplification of what was done, by scientists investigating the evolutionary hypothesis, then we would be done. I would give no credence to this kind of thinking or the evidence that produced it. Yes, it is extremely simple to see how silly are the conclusions of evolutionists, when they are represented by this straw man.
In the posts that follow, I would like to lay out the real and substantive difference between the evidence that confirms evolution, and the straw man above.
In the last thread, you claimed that you abandoned evolution on rational grounds instead of religious ones. If that is the case, then we can discuss those rational grounds. It appears to me from this that your rational grounds were probably good justification for abandoning the ideas you previously had about evolution, but do not apply at all to the real theory of evolution. If that is the case, then - should the data convince you, this will be the first time you were really convinced of the real theory of evolution. I will be posting the first topic back to this thread in a few hours... stay tuned!
Nick's characterization of the evidence for evolution
Wow - this creature looks a lot like that creature, functions like that creature, has similar eyes, has a similar mouth, eats and digests the same kinds of foods the same way, behaves in very similar ways, etc.
Now let's look at the DNA. Well, now isn't THAT a shock -- the DNA -- the blueprint for this first creatures -- looks almost the same as the DNA -- the blueprint -- for the similar creatures!!! Now who would ever have expected that? What an amazing breakthrough discovery!!! The blueprint for one creature is almost the same as the blueprint for another creature that bears many similarities! I just can't get over how surprising a discovery this is!
[LOGICAL LEAP ABOUT 4 BILLION LIGHT YEARS IN DISTANCE]
I guess that proves common descent.
[/LOGICAL LEAP]
Common descent is a fantasy.
Proving that it is a fantasy would probably deserve a Nobel Prize, but I doubt if I could do it, and even if I could, I'm not motivated to try.
IMO it's extremely simple to see how silly are the conclusions of evolutionists.
Nick. If this is what was done, even if this was a modest oversimplification of what was done, by scientists investigating the evolutionary hypothesis, then we would be done. I would give no credence to this kind of thinking or the evidence that produced it. Yes, it is extremely simple to see how silly are the conclusions of evolutionists, when they are represented by this straw man.
In the posts that follow, I would like to lay out the real and substantive difference between the evidence that confirms evolution, and the straw man above.
I'd like to say that if you simply apply a little common sense you'd see that. But IMO seeing it that way it is a spiritual issue, not one of intelligence, education or understanding. If anything, for many people these factors (intelligence, education, understanding) are likely to get in the way of seeing the truth.
In the last thread, you claimed that you abandoned evolution on rational grounds instead of religious ones. If that is the case, then we can discuss those rational grounds. It appears to me from this that your rational grounds were probably good justification for abandoning the ideas you previously had about evolution, but do not apply at all to the real theory of evolution. If that is the case, then - should the data convince you, this will be the first time you were really convinced of the real theory of evolution. I will be posting the first topic back to this thread in a few hours... stay tuned!