New Testament Sabbath

PROPHECYKID said:

Do you enjoy confusing things of purpose? In your previous post you made a reference to the Sabbath and implied or stated that someone was saying it was the only day of acceptable worship. Well I do not agree with that. And no one has really said anything of that sort. Husky understands this and you are in no position to speak for him.

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Does post 38 have any bearing on the issue? I think so. Is it vain to worship on Sunday? It certainly is being implied? Or perhaps it should be clarified specifically what is mentioned by naming the day.

The New Testament is the Everlasting Covenant of Grace;
therefore the New Testament SABBATH shall be the everlasting Sabbath Day of the LORD GOD Eternal.
Eternal is the distinguishing mark and quality of everything involved— the GOD of the Covenant; and the SIGN of the Covenant; and the Covenant.
The New Testament Sabbath is the New Testament Day of the Rest of GOD – WHO is the Same GOD yesterday, today and tomorrow –, and therefore it is the same DAY yesterday, today and tomorrow, for being the COVENANT the same : yesterday today and tomorrow.

Gerhard Ebersoehn said:

The New Testament is the Everlasting Covenant of Grace;
therefore the New Testament SABBATH shall be the everlasting Sabbath Day of the LORD GOD Eternal.
Eternal is the distinguishing mark and quality of everything involved— the GOD of the Covenant; and the SIGN of the Covenant; and the Covenant.
The New Testament Sabbath is the New Testament Day of the Rest of GOD – WHO is the Same GOD yesterday, today and tomorrow –, and therefore it is the same DAY yesterday, today and tomorrow, for being the COVENANT the same : yesterday today and tomorrow.

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Enjoy your law keeping. There are all sorts of laws concerning all sorts of strange things in the covenant with the Israelites that I certainly don't see we need to observe, and that is the only place the sabbath law is contained. Women monthly laws, sores on the skin laws, fabric laws, facial hair laws, unclean meat laws, land use laws,feast day laws, etc. If you want to say God can't use different laws for different covenants, have at it. (after all, He never changes).

Husky7 said:

I was just reading through Acts 15, and I didn't find anything which required the Gentiles to observe the seventh day Sabbath. Acts 15:28 says, "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things." (NIV)

This verse is telling the Gentiles that they are required to do the above things, but it doesn't mention the Sabbath. In the Jerusalem Counsel, it was also decided that Gentiles need not be circumcised in able to obtain salvation.

Am I missing something?

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Yes, you and everybody here that believe the 7th day Sabbath has been done away with, missed Jesus teaching to his disciples that the 7th day Sabbath, which He is the Lord of the Sabbath, will still be a holy convocation day, a rest day to be celebrated that binds his disciples and their disciples and their disciples from generation to generation until his return to pick the saints; after his ascension to heaven.

And all of you also missed to look at God's warning to mankind through Daniel, 600 years before Christ, that one day, some one will change the law and time, and that happened. Therefore you have all the teaching and believe that Sabbath has been done away with, that the Ten Cs no longer exist or has no more jurisdiction over Christ' believers.

Daniel 7:25.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV)

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But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto yo. Mat. 6:33.

James 1:25 - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:8-12.
8:If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9:But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10:For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11:For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12:So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

What is the perfect law of liberty in James 1:25; 2:12?
What is the royal law in James 2:8?

Are both the same law or not? Let’s study it.

The royal law according to James is the law of love (v. 8)
Some one who shows favoritism to another break the law of love (James 2:1-7).
Then James continue with breaking one point of the law is breaking it all, he came up with the Ten Cs for comparison.

The question is: Is the Royal law the Ten Cs?? Is the law of love also the Ten Commandments?

Some folks believe it is a different law.

Let’s see James point of view.

In the 10Cs, there is no law that you should not show favoritism to other man. But why James said you break the law of love if you did it and why he gave a comparison using the 10Cs? What is the connection between the law of love and the Ten Cs?

By showing favoritism to another man, you showed that you respect one above another. This is not love, but selfish love. So, this act is transgressing the Royal law, the law of love. This act doesn’t transgress any one of the 10Cs, but it did transgress the spirit of the law, it did transgress the spiritual demands of the law, which is: Love your neighbor as yourself (v. 8).

And James giving a comparison, using the letters of the law now, if you keep all of the letters, but breaking one of it, you break the whole law. Is this just a comparison or is it the real thing? Did James keep the 10Cs? Of course he did! Therefore after proving that showing favoritism is breaking the royal law, breaking the spirit of the law, which is love, he compare it with if you keep the letter of the law but breaking one of it, you are guilty of breaking the whole law. He knew exactly that this law of love, as some folks said the law of Christ, is the spiritual demands of the 10Cs and nothing else, because Christ himself has summarized the 4 commands as love to God, and the remaining 6cs as love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:36-40).

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But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto yo. Mat. 6:33.

Thus, keeping the letters is the ACT, and having love as the spirit of the law in your heart, is fulfilling the demands of the law. If you show favoritism even it didn’t transgress any of the letter, but does transgressed the spirit, thus transgress the whole law, because you are not fulfilling its demand.

Can the spiritual demands be separated from the letter? Some folks believe yes.
But No! Even Jesus didn’t separated it, he just tell us the spiritual demands of what is said in the letter.

Now, is the royal law which is the 10 Cs also the perfect law of liberty?

How could “Don’t kill” give you a liberty if you keep it?”
How could “Don’t steal” give you a liberty if you keep it?”
How could “Don’t covet” give you a liberty if you keep it?

Smart people understood, that transgressing those laws, you would lose your liberty, because you would be condemned by a civil trial and put in jail. At least you come under the law condemnation for your sins, and this is also loosing your liberty as a free man.

Thus, the royal law, which is the summarization of the Ten Cs, is also the law of liberty.

Now we understood that the 10 Cs, is a law that all of us should accept and keep it, breaking one of it, is a transgression against the whole law. And in the middle of these 10cs, lays the Sabbath keeping law.

James 4;04: Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

What is friend ship with the world? And why having this showing hatred towards God?

Breaking the law is friend ship with the world! Changing the law, rejecting the law, is friend ship with the world. And we knew who is the motivator and creator of all these law breaking, Satan himself.


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But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto yo. Mat. 6:33.

σύνδουλόν;56787994 said:

Verse 21 reveals quite a bit. Where did Saul/Paul go looking for Christians in the first place? For where did he ask letters to?

The context is about salvation, and the manner of it:

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. - Acts 15:1

But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses. - Acts 15:5

Notice it says the 'law of moses'. Yet, let us say for the moment that this includes the Ten Commandments. This does not negate the Keeping of them, it merely says that no one is saved by them, for we are saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul spent a great deal of his epistles explaining the function of the Law of God.

What shall we sin in the face of grace?

The problems in the Acts 15 council were very specific.

Look also at the things specifically required, they are all Old Testament commandments. It was only an immediate listing for gentiles to follow (by which they shall do well), not the end all be all, for they would continue to go to the gathering, synagogue to learn more about God and His Law on the 7th Day Sabbath.

Luke is very explicit in Luke and Acts on this. Compare Luke 4:16 to Acts 17:2 to begin with.

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I would also like to remind our readers of the fallacy of utilizing Acts 15 as a proof passage for not keeping the Sabbath.

In verses 20 and 29, the "only requirements" being imposed on them is to abstain the pollutions of idols, from fornication, from blood, and from things strangled.

By the misuse of Acts 15 in relation to the Sabbath, one would have to logically conclude that Paul just gave the Gentiles license to bear false witness, take God's name in vain, dishonor their parents, steal, and covet. Right? Well why not? Paul didn't mention those things.

Obviously, the issues being addressed in Acts 15 were what was required by the Gentiles IN ADDITION to the Moral Law that they already knew--the Ten Commandments.

The Sabbath was not included in the discussion of Acts 15 for the same reason that the other 9 commandments were not included. The issue revolved only upon discussion of what was required ADDITIONALLY to the basic Law of Ten Commandments, and other moral laws which were extensions thereof.

Husky7 said:

Everyone knows that the Jews, and Jewish converts during the Old Testament were instructed by God to observe the Sabbath commandment. However, after Christ's resurrection and accession into heaven, the apostle Paul taught Jews and Gentiles alike new rules about what is required of us by God. The legalistic restrictions that the Jews had under the old law were abolished such as circumcision, and sacrificing as well as others. However, several Protestant denominations claim that the Sabbath (which is under the category of Old Testament legalism) remains intact despite the fact that all other rules were abolished. Supporters of this "New Testament Sabbath" claim that we still need to keep it in order to obtain Salvation. Supporters use verses from the Old Testament (which are before Christ's resurrection), and some from the New Testament (which are also all before Christ's resurrection), to show that the Sabbath is still in effect today.

My question to you guys is this: Did Paul instruct the Gentiles in the NT to observe the Sabbath post-Jesus? Is it fair for Sabbath supporters to use verses from before Christ's resurrection to claim that the Sabbath is still intact today?

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This is the New Testament Sabbath, a proof that Sabbath keeping as according to the 4th commandment is an obligation for Christ believers, AFTER HIS ASCENSION. Please study it with prayer, as this is the only text in the Scripture that sustains the 4th commandment and its Sabbath keeping is for Christ' believers post the cross of Christ.

Matthew 24:1-3, 15, 20, 21.
1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age. 3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age? 15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” 20. And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

One day, after a temple visit, sitting at the mount Olive in private with only his disciples and no other spectators, Jesus foretold how Jerusalem and the temple in particular would be destroyed and the signs of his second coming. The temple was destroyed in AD. 70 by Titus the Roman general and his army, 37 years after Jesus ascension to heaven.

The main important issue is Jesus saying: “And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.” What does Jesus has in mind?

Sabbath rest and it holy convocation will hold his disciples in the temple, and if this destruction happens at this day, many of them would have not the chance to safe themselves. Therefore they must pray that the destruction of the temple would not fall on Sabbath day, so they might escape and save their life.

This gives light to us, that the Sabbath keeping law is not nailed to the cross of Christ as many believes, that this 4th commandment exist and still an obligation for the disciples to keep it. It never crossed the disciples minds that the Sabbath keeping would ever be done away with, especially nailed to the cross, as many folks believe, which by believing so, they had made Jesus word meaningless.


Jesus himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, told his disciples without the presence of anyone else about an event that would happen 37 years after his ascension, and the same telling us, that his Sabbath was still in effect and lawful after his ascension. Imagine, if this disciples got their own disciples, would they not tell them the same, and if the destruction didn’t happen on AD. 70, and didn’t happen till now, wouldn’t all the disciples from generation to generation telling the same story?

Very clear, undeniable, the New testament Sabbath as according to the 4th commandment exist and lawful after Jesus ascension to heaven and till now and till the end of time, till eternity in heaven and the new world.

Jesus claimed himself as Lord of the Sabbath, the Lord God to whom his believers would worship him at that day in a holy convocation. Surely he wouldn’t be Lord of a day that would come to an end one day. He is God eternal, the day he claimed to be his day, should be eternal also, and not less than that.

Therefore, he clearly made a separation between Israeli sabbaths days and his own Sabath day, you can read this in Leviticus 23.

Leviticus 23:37, 38.
37 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire to the LORD, a burnt offering and a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, everything on its day— 38 besides the Sabbaths of the LORD, besides your gifts, besides all your vows, and besides all your freewill offerings which you give to the LORD.

And these feast days that should be observed almost similar as observing the Lord’s Sabbath day, God called it “your sabbath.” (verse 32).

This Israeli sabbath is not Sabbath of the Lord, this Israeli sabbath was nailed to the cross (Col 2:16,17), but His Sabbath extent its existence till the end of time. Therefore, He is Lord of the Sabbath, a day eternal in its existence as he is eternal.

And Paul knew it, his was a Sabbath keeper.

Arthur57 said:

Yes, you and everybody here that believe the 7th day Sabbath has been done away with, missed Jesus teaching to his disciples that the 7th day Sabbath, which He is the Lord of the Sabbath, will still be a holy convocation day, a rest day to be celebrated that binds his disciples and their disciples and their disciples from generation to generation until his return to pick the saints; after his ascension to heaven.

And all of you also missed to look at God's warning to mankind through Daniel, 600 years before Christ, that one day, some one will change the law and time, and that happened. Therefore you have all the teaching and believe that Sabbath has been done away with, that the Ten Cs no longer exist or has no more jurisdiction over Christ' believers.

Daniel 7:25.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV)

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But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto yo. Mat. 6:33.

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Be careful with your tone.

PROPHECYKID said:

Be careful with your tone.

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Sure brother. Are you offended? I'm sorry. But what bothers you?

Arthur57 said:

Sure brother. Are you offended? I'm sorry. But what bothers you?

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You asked if I was offended but apparently you answered it yourself. No need to say you're sorry. I am not offended at all. I am just advising you to watch your tone. I know sometimes it can be frustrating, but don't be like many of the others. Always try to keep a respectful tone, it helps to bring the message across even better.

Thanks for your good advice.

He that must be exalted and not ourselves. Some times people forgot, so do I.

Lysimachus said:

I would also like to remind our readers of the fallacy of utilizing Acts 15 as a proof passage for not keeping the Sabbath.

In verses 20 and 29, the "only requirements" being imposed on them is to abstain the pollutions of idols, from fornication, from blood, and from things strangled.

By the misuse of Acts 15 in relation to the Sabbath, one would have to logically conclude that Paul just gave the Gentiles license to bear false witness, take God's name in vain, dishonor their parents, steal, and covet. Right? Well why not? Paul didn't mention those things.

Obviously, the issues being addressed in Acts 15 were what was required by the Gentiles IN ADDITION to the Moral Law that they already knew--the Ten Commandments.

The Sabbath was not included in the discussion of Acts 15 for the same reason that the other 9 commandments were not included. The issue revolved only upon discussion of what was required ADDITIONALLY to the basic Law of Ten Commandments, and other moral laws which were extensions thereof.

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So what you are saying is things like the clean/unclean meat laws are no longer in effect, since they are not in the ten or a moral law that extended from them, but the Sabbath is. I understand your point of view, I guess.

PROPHECYKID said:

Do you enjoy confusing things of purpose? In your previous post you made a reference to the Sabbath and implied or stated that someone was saying it was the only day of acceptable worship. Well I do not agree with that. And no one has really said anything of that sort. Husky understands this and you are in no position to speak for him.

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I never was a 7th day Adventist, but for a year or so I did observe the Sabbath according to the bible. However, I no longer observe it because I'm not sure if it's required. Even while observing the 7th day Sabbath, I still went to church on Sunday and stuff, I didn't see Saturday as the only appropriate day to worship.

Husky7 said:

I never was a 7th day Adventist, but for a year or so I did observe the Sabbath according to the bible. However, I no longer observe it because I'm not sure if it's required. Even while observing the 7th day Sabbath, I still went to church on Sunday and stuff, I didn't see Saturday as the only appropriate day to worship.

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I never said it was. The Sabbath is a day of rest. The Sabbath was given for man to rest. Worship is not limited to any particular day, but the Sabbath is. Only one day can be the Sabbath. So no one is saying you can only worship on Saturday, but what I am saying is only Saturday is the Sabbath, God's day of rest for mankind.

PROPHECYKID said:

I never said it was. The Sabbath is a day of rest. The Sabbath was given for man to rest. Worship is not limited to any particular day, but the Sabbath is. Only one day can be the Sabbath. So no one is saying you can only worship on Saturday, but what I am saying is only Saturday is the Sabbath, God's day of rest for mankind.

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Good observation. I don't have a problem with anyone "congregating" and fellowshipping on Sunday, although I find it difficult to understand why people just don't take advantage of the Sabbath and do it on that day. But if you go to Church on Sunday, you can still go right back to your work after church, or go build your house or repair your car, and it won't be considered sin. But if you do this on Saturday, and start working on God's Holy Day that He sanctified, then yes, this would be sin.

PROPHECYKID said:

I never said it was. The Sabbath is a day of rest. The Sabbath was given for man to rest. Worship is not limited to any particular day, but the Sabbath is. Only one day can be the Sabbath. So no one is saying you can only worship on Saturday, but what I am saying is only Saturday is the Sabbath, God's day of rest for mankind.

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I hope and pray that after I presented Sabbath keeping is still obligatory for Christ disciples after his ascension to heaven, you and all others who still trampled on His Sabbath, would come to a realization of the truth of the Gospel.

26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. Ezekiel 22:26.

Isn't this what happens today among Christian?

Husky7 said:

I never was a 7th day Adventist, but for a year or so I did observe the Sabbath according to the bible. However, I no longer observe it because I'm not sure if it's required. Even while observing the 7th day Sabbath, I still went to church on Sunday and stuff, I didn't see Saturday as the only appropriate day to worship.

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I hope and pray that after I presented Sabbath keeping is still obligatory for Christ disciples after his ascension to heaven, you and all others who still trampled on His Sabbath, would come to a realization of the truth of the Gospel.

26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. Ezekiel 22:26.

Isn't this what happens today among Christian?

Arthur57 said:

I hope and pray that after I presented Sabbath keeping is still obligatory for Christ disciples after his ascension to heaven, you and all others who still trampled on His Sabbath, would come to a realization of the truth of the Gospel.

26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. Ezekiel 22:26.

Isn't this what happens today among Christian?

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Are you sure you are addressing this to the right person?

PROPHECYKID said:

I never said it was. The Sabbath is a day of rest. The Sabbath was given for man to rest. Worship is not limited to any particular day, but the Sabbath is. Only one day can be the Sabbath. So no one is saying you can only worship on Saturday, but what I am saying is only Saturday is the Sabbath, God's day of rest for mankind.

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I know that's not what you believe, or what you said. I was simply just saying that as my view on this subject