New Staff Structure Jan 2008

[Joykins]

I can't affirm the Athanasian Creed either. It's not the trinitarian theology that I disagree with, but the soteriological statements.

Here is a copy:

Whoever wants to be saved should above all cling to the catholic faith.
Whoever does not guard it whole and inviolable will doubtless perish eternally.
Now this is the catholic faith: We worship one God in trinity and the Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the divine being.
For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Spirit is still another.
But the deity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coeternal in majesty.
What the Father is, the Son is, and so is the Holy Spirit.
Uncreated is the Father; uncreated is the Son; uncreated is the Spirit.
The Father is infinite; the Son is infinite; the Holy Spirit is infinite.
Eternal is the Father; eternal is the Son; eternal is the Spirit:
And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal;
as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited.
Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit:
And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.
Thus the Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God:
And yet there are not three gods, but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord; the Son is Lord; the Holy Spirit is Lord:
And yet there are not three lords, but one Lord.
As Christian truth compels us to acknowledge each distinct person as God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten;
the Son was neither made nor created, but was alone begotten of the Father;
the Spirit was neither made nor created, but is proceeding from the Father and the Son.
Thus there is one Father, not three fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three spirits.
And in this Trinity, no one is before or after, greater or less than the other;
but all three persons are in themselves, coeternal and coequal; and so we must worship the Trinity in unity and the one God in three persons.
Whoever wants to be saved should think thus about the Trinity.​

It is necessary for eternal salvation that one also faithfully believe that our Lord Jesus Christ became flesh.

For this is the true faith that we believe and confess: That our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, is both God and man.
He is God, begotten before all worlds from the being of the Father, and he is man, born in the world from the being of his mother --
existing fully as God, and fully as man with a rational soul and a human body;
equal to the Father in divinity, subordinate to the Father in humanity.
Although he is God and man, he is not divided, but is one Christ.
He is united because God has taken humanity into himself; he does not transform deity into humanity.
He is completely one in the unity of his person, without confusing his natures.
For as the rational soul and body are one person, so the one Christ is God and man.
He suffered death for our salvation.
He descended into hell and rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people shall rise bodily to give an account of theirown deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith.
One cannot be saved without believing this firmly and faithfully.​

 

[Joykins]

These are the anathemas from the original Nicene Creed:

But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable' — they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

As I said I cannot agree with the condemming part. But the theological statement (the substance of God and Jesus and their relationship and when who was created) it was trying to make about a certain beliefs--I do believe in those core statements....

I screwed up my statement---sorry.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Thanks. BTW, since the Athanasian Creed is a side-issue to this thread, I started a separate thread about it here:

http://christianforums.com/t6836109-athanasian-creed.html#post43416299

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Since I clarified my statement on the previous page---can you please edit your post (the last post on page 8) to reflect that? *mainly deleting your quote from me which is no longer there*

 

[Crazy Liz]

Since I clarified my statement on the previous page---can you please edit your post (the last post on page 8) to reflect that? *mainly deleting your quote from me which is no longer there*

Done.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Thank you bunches and bunches.

I just didn't want anyone else to get the wrong idea since I didn't clarify right away..

again thanks.

 

[pete56]

Not discarded, Pete - just moved around a little. It's still there and still available. It will even end up being disseminated to a more mods. Try to be more optimistic, hun.

I try to be optimistic all of the time Jo!

Sadly Cf tends to deflate my optimism more often than reinforce it, so I am afraid I get jaded, especially when I see good staff discarded (and I do mean discarded) by all of the constant changes!

It seems to me that the powers that be simply do not know how to do this on line fellowship thing so they are constantly changing the model in case they stumble across something, instead of allowing a perfectly workable system develop into the unifying influence that it can be, with a little time and effort from those involved!

But I have to say that one of the reasons I left staff was because there simply was a lack of consistency and the changes were being made to simply placate one small faction in our midst instead of the larger silent majority.

I guess I shall just have to put up with it though, as it appears even though the owner has changed the habit of change has not!

Pete

 

[praying]

Why the double-standard, then, when the liberal Christians (cough) go into the Conservative Christians forum and report posts that they disagree with the position of?

I have no idea about reports or double standards in that area however I do know that does not having anything to do with this or my response:

Can someone place change the structure in WWMC? All the liberal mods clearly have a biased when moderating there. They wont apply the new Orthodox views directly and appropriately. We need more conservative views there and possibly a fundamentalist.

Won’t apply the new Orthodox views? What views? And what the heck is that last line about?

 

[Richard]

This is about the NEW STAFF STRUCTURE. Please stay on Topic or this thread will be closed and moved to Wiki.