New interview with Pentagon whistleblower

[BearerBob]

Which intel failures under Clinton led to huge mistakes and large numbers of deaths?

None, man. Clinton was perfect.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Some quotes were spoken before Bush took office. So the democrats misled themselves. That's responsible.

And which quotes are those?

 

[mwb]

And which quotes are those?

I just counted 12 quotes before 2000. I'm not wasting my time recapping them for you when I have provided a link. The funny thing is close to half of them were spoken by a guy named Bill Clinton.

 

[BearerBob]

I just counted 12 quotes before 2000. I'm not wasting my time recapping them for you when I have provided a link. The funny thing is close to half of them were spoken by a guy named Bill Clinton.

Let's just blame all of our problems on Dubya so the liberals will want to help fix them.

 

[BearerBob]

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Of course.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Let's just blame all of our problems on Dubya so the liberals will want to help fix them.

Considering that he's in power, and he is directly responsible for ignoring the most compelling evidence of the threat that al Qaeda posed before September 11th happened...then yes, I think that the buck pretty much stops there.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Of course.

If I'm wrong, I do hope you'll tell me. But in all my studies, I've never seen a president whose party has portrayed him as God's representative on Earth so unambiguously as our incumbent.

 

[mwb]

I know you dislike Bush but to dismiss facts is pretty irresponsible. Just talk about how he talks since that's about the only thing the opposition is even remotely correct about.

Sorry but there's no smoking gun out there. Bush didn't lie & that's proven by comments made when Clinton was president. Unless you want to say Clinton lied too.

 

[BearerBob]

Considering that he's in power, and he is directly responsible for ignoring the most compelling evidence of the threat that al Qaeda posed before September 11th happened...then yes, I think that the buck pretty much stops there.

What evidence do you speak of? Please feel free to share. On second thought. Never mind.

 

[oldbetang]

And what if it caucuses with the GOP and splits with its party on the most important issue of the day? What then would we call it?

Then we would call it a liberal Republican duck.

And why, pray tell, should I take any of these organizations' word for it? Why shouldn't his actions speak for themselves?

His actions were his votes. The liberal organizations were obviously pleased enough with his votes to give him 100% ratings for them.

As I've already explained to you, campaigning.

In 2003? I realize that in this presidential cycle the campaigning has already started . I'm not so sure that that was the case in 2003. At least, not near to the degree of the current situation.

I'm not entirely sure why I should care a word about what the ACU says..."least conservative" does not mean "most liberal."

Or hottest doesn't mean least cold??

Again, as I've already explained to you, the opinions of the Kurdish politicians do not accurately reflect the opinions of the Kurdish people as a whole.

In the absence of any polls, can we really know how the Kurdish people feel as a whole?

Michael Rubin tried and failed; Kwiatkowski rebutted his entire argument.

Did not!

 

[mwb]

If I'm wrong, I do hope you'll tell me. But in all my studies, I've never seen a president whose party has portrayed him as God's representative on Earth so unambiguously as our incumbent.

I need to see a link or something about this.

 

[mwb]

What evidence do you speak of? Please feel free to share. On second thought. Never mind.

Look out for a reference to the 8/6/01 memo.

He never answered my question about what Bush should have done based on one out of maybe dozens of memos concerning bin Laden & al-Qaida.

 

[burrow_owl]

Notice how she never mentions the intel failures under Clinton even though they lead to huge mistaks and a large number of deaths.

Drink!

You get super double bonus points for mentioning the "intelligence snafus that led to a "large number of deaths."

 

[KomissarSteve]

I know you dislike Bush but to dismiss facts is pretty irresponsible.

And which facts would those be?

Just talk about how he talks since that's about the only thing the opposition is even remotely correct about.

Too easy.

Sorry but there's no smoking gun out there. Bush didn't lie & that's proven by comments made when Clinton was president. Unless you want to say Clinton lied too.

Whoah, where did Bush lying ever come into play in my arguments? I'm simply addressing duties that he has neglected - such as having a firm handle on the American national security situation.

 

[BearerBob]

Drink!

You get super double bonus points for having the courage to invent intelligence snafus that led to a "large number of deaths."

I think the lack of attention AQ has caused quite a number of deaths aroung the world, don't you?

 

[KomissarSteve]

What evidence do you speak of? Please feel free to share. On second thought. Never mind.

As you wish.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I think the lack of attention AQ has caused quite a number of deaths aroung the world, don't you?

Was it as clear under the Clinton Administration that al Qaeda posed a greater threat from any other terrorist organization, as it was under Bush's first few months?

 

[KomissarSteve]

Look out for a reference to the 8/6/01 memo.

None of those memos were written by Richard Clarke, who was at the time the highest authority on terrorist threats to national security, besides that to which I have been referring. If he didn't read that one, it was clearly a case of dereliction of duty.

As for what Bush could have done...how about raise the level of airport security, for starters?

 

[BearerBob]

Was it as clear under the Clinton Administration that al Qaeda posed a greater threat from any other terrorist organization, as it was under Bush's first few months?

It is clear that AQ posed a great threat when Clinton was President. I only bring it up because people like yourself ignore the facts and try to blame it on one man. The truth is that the US government did not transition well from the cold war and got caught with our pants down. Thats why the 911 commission wound up being the joke it was. It was just the US government as a whole trying to cover its butt.

 

[KomissarSteve]

It is clear that AQ posed a great threat when Clinton was President.

That's not the question I was asking, though; the question was, "Was there any evidence that al Qaeda was more of a threat than any other terrorist threat to the U.S.?"

I only bring it up because people like yourself ignore the facts and try to blame it on one man.

That's a fascinating leap in logic, considering that I have yet to say that Bush was fully responsible for any of it.