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It is not Luke speaking in Luke 21:20. It is Jesus speaking.Again, Luke by inspiration in Luke 21:20 did not mention anything at all about a statue being placed in Jerusalem's temple which would desolate the holy place. Luke interpreted "Jerusalem surrounded by armies" as the fulfillment of Daniel's AoD
It is not Luke speaking in Luke 21:20. It is Jesus speaking.
Both Mark and Matthew are the two gospel accounts that refer to the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet. Which is to take place after the gospel has been spread to all nations.Yes, I think we all understand that. Luke is the one writing Jesus's words down, of course. So, Jesus through Luke passed on more understanding about the AoD than the other gospels did when they simply wrote down "abomination of desolation" in their accounts of Christ's words on this occasion. You should appreciate that Luke and Jesus did the work of interpreting this for us. Makes it simpler. No guesswork.
Question:Division of the ‘Week’ Diagram
The special festival in the middle year is actually a 'fulcrum' between two significant counts. Each 'time, times and half a time' had an additional month added to the 'base' 42 months, making a total of 86 lunar months altogether. Please examine the diagram taking note that the Day of Atonement stands independently between the two counts.
Notice how the first ‘t, t, + ½ t’ was precisely 3.5 solar years, but the second half of the ‘week’ was 1260 days. From what I can see, every Sabbatical cycle follows this pattern.
Have a look at the diagram again. The full seven years contains 1278 + 1 + 1260 = 2539 days. Divide that by 29.53 and, voila, 86 lunar months! I reckon it was more accurate than any of the modern calendars!
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The horse has bolted. As we speak, Auckland is fleeing its cage to holiday destinations.Hopefully the woman in the seat in the Kiwi Parliament will leave you all alone for at least 3.5 days.
I think you are right. It’s a question I ask myself too, especially when we interpret the book of Revelation literally. In the case of Revelation 12 though, it is so symbolic that I’m inclined to think John is using these old numbers to represent things. Unless the old calendar gets put to use again. Oh, the thinks that we can think!Based on the information you have given it looks to me like whereas "a time, times and a half a time" can refer to either the first half or the second half of the week (Revelation 12: 6 & 14), the moment we read 1,260 days (or 1,290 days) in apocalyptic scripture then we need to understand that it's speaking about the final 42 months or 3.5 years in a 7-year period?
ThanksI think you are right. It’s a question I ask myself too, especially when we interpret the book of Revelation literally. In the case of Revelation 12 though, it is so symbolic that I’m inclined to think John is using these old numbers to represent things. Unless the old calendar gets put to use again. Oh, the thinks that we can think!
Have a great Christmas bro.
I've mentally removed the chapter divisions between Revelation chapters 12 and 13,......
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.The entire section opens with the beginning of the gospel Age, and closes with the culmination of the dragon's war against the saints and against the Kingdom of Christ.
Wrong because the reason is given why the dragon who had been accusing the brethren was cast out, i.e "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death."Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Who would be in heaven to look down on earth and consider them who have received salvation, and the kingdom of God, and the power of Christ - as being their brothers?
The answer is those in heaven with the loud voice, will be the raptured/resurrected Christians... who expect someday all Israel to be saved,grafted back into the kingdom of God tree.
There is no "seven-year tribulation" mentioned anywhere in scripture. Only the final 3.5 years of the Age is mentioned. The "seven-year tribulation" is an entirely false notion based on one misinterpretation of scripture upon another, beginning with the false notion that you can mentally use your mouse to highlight and cut Daniel 9:27 out of its chronological place in Daniel's 70th weeks, and paste it into a folder titled "the end of this (current) Age".1260 days first half of the 7 years, verse 6 + the war in the second heaven time + the time/times/half time, verse 14 = the 7 years.
I know. My style is probably just as irritating to many as the elaborate graphs of others consisting of faulty timelines based on misinterpretations of scripture.I would like to make a little comment here. Have you ever noticed how some poster's post are hard to read - mainly because their post is just one big paragraph long?
While posts by others are easy to read - because their posts are broken down into paragraphs that are one, maybe two, three sentences at the most, long.
And also have space between their paragraphs. Which their paragraphs are not indented at the start.
Well, what I have concluded is that we all (the easy to read group) are subconsciously mimicking how the kjv online by verse format is written.
Take a look at how Daniel 12 is written, for example.
DANIEL CHAPTER 12 KJV
Actually, I thought your style was fine. I was not referring negatively to your style, but to some others who post one lengthy paragraph which is burdensome to read.I know. My style is probably just as irritating to many as the elaborate graphs of others consisting of faulty timelines based on misinterpretations of scripture.
Then it wasn't necessary to criticize others' style when answering a post I made.Actually, I thought your style was fine. I was not referring negatively to your style, but to some others who post one lengthy paragraph which is burdensome to read.
In particular the two witnesses, at the end of their 1260 days testimony, coinciding with Revelation 12:6.Wrong because the reason is given why the dragon who had been accusing the brethren was cast out, i.e "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death."
Revelation 12:10 is the timing when the Jews, Israel, en masse will turn to Jesus. The church is the voice in heaven in verse 10, having been raptured out of the world before Satan is cast down do earth - from the second heaven.his salvation mentioned in Revelation 12 does not come only at the close of the Age. It came at the beginning of the Age: “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
I am going to agree with you that the expression "seven-year tribulation" not only is not found in the bible, but will add it is a thought up term coming from certain bible institutions.There is no "seven-year tribulation" mentioned anywhere in scripture. Only the final 3.5 years of the Age is mentioned. The "seven-year tribulation" is an entirely false notion based on one misinterpretation of scripture upon another, beginning with the false notion that you can mentally use your mouse to highlight and cut Daniel 9:27 out of its chronological place in Daniel's 70th weeks, and paste it into a folder titled "the end of this (current) Age".
It's an assumption you make, and which you can only make by counting Christ's words as unimportant:In particular the two witnesses, at the end of their 1260 days testimony, coinciding with Revelation 12:6.
More assumptions based on nothing that the Bible actually says.Revelation 12:10 is the timing when the Jews, Israel, en masse will turn to Jesus. The church is the voice in heaven in verse 10, having been raptured out of the world before Satan is cast down do earth - from the second heaven.
Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:5 are speaking about the same 3.5 years; and Daniel 12:7 together with the history of Antiochus Epiphanes is a biblical type of it.There is actually no expression of 3.5 years or 3 1/2 years in the bible, either. The bible expressions are one week (Daniel 9), 7 years (in Deuteronomy 31:9-13), 1260 days, 42 months, time/times/half time.
Also, the ‘time, times and ½ time’ is not the same as the 1260. I
It seems reasonable to me though not conclusively so. Admittedly, I have wavered on this. Is it possible that both sides of the division of the week was loosely called ‘time, times and 1/2 time’? Or should we apply the term strictly to the solar count on the first half of the divided week?does it seem reasonable to conclude that Daniel 12:7’s “t + 2t + 1/2t” is not the same event as as the Daniel 12:11’s “1290 days”?
Daniel was a man of science and would have been familiar with Hebrew as well as Babylonian astronomy.
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