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Excuse me for asking you to support your claims. Please, continue pulling things from your digestive tract. And be sure to wash your hands when you're done.
I thought one of the problems with ANCIENT egypt, and I mean ANCIENT is they never had records? I thought they came later?
Where did you demonstrate that it is history?
You mean those books that are written by men?
Science has shown that the Earth is old, there was no recent global flood, and that species evolved from a common ancestor.
Why would the blind man be forced to do so? Why couldn't the blind man determine for himself if I gave him the proper rules and if the apparatus is operating correctly?
[qutoe]Your apparatus, your rules, your method of interpreting the results, and your trustworthiness. The blind man has to put his faith in you and your methods.
Science books are written by men, are you now saying we can't trust them?
What Christians say is that the biblical writings were INSPIRED by God, NOT personally written by him. This has been explained several times before, yet you still raise this silly argument. Can it finally stop now?
There is debate among creationists as to whether the earth is 7,000 years old or billions of years old or somewhere in between. The fact is, it doesn't really matter how old the earth is or how old the stars are. The important point we agree on, which is that it was all created by an intelligent God. Pointing to YEC beliefs as evidence of the fallacy of creation in general is a straw man argument.
There's just not enough information. And the fact that it's such a hugely political issue makes it incredibly susceptible to tampering, as we've seen with climategate and other UN sanctioned "studies".There's plenty of information, and the fact that it's politicized has nothing to do with the actual research done by actual scientists documented in actual scientific papers. If you have some problem with the methodology, you can find these papers and pick them apart yourself, if you have the acumen for it. If not, your doubts are unfounded.
Subduction Zone said:Yes, I agree, he did have some fallacious beliefs. It is his science that we are discussing, not his flaws.
And to assume that creation is true is the opposite of science. Science makes no assumptions ahead of time as to what is true or not, it only follows the evidence. Even Newtons's science shows that our solar system is billions of years old. and yet YEC's deny this. Therefore they deny Newton's physics.One problem is people keep moving the goalposts.
One definition of creationism is that God created it all. It makes little to no assumptions of the steps that occurred.
Another, the one most people use is the ones who through a poor reading so scripture propose God did it in 6 days that occurred about 6000 years ago.
Rather large difference.
bhsmte said:You can't be serious?
Most if not all christians have no problem with science?
This site is a prime example of how inaccurate that statement is!I thought this forum was about evolution vs creationism,
not creationism vs science.
AV1611VET said:I'll leave this place forever before that happens.And stop bragging about your 2.7 million "posts"? I doubt it.
Loudmouth said:Sorry, but made up stories do not falsify scientific theories.but you believe the made up story of evolution and feel it counts
So these books were written by men who claim that because they were inspired by God, they should not be questioned.
btw, nuttypiglet, before we go any further, I should let you know that God has inspired me to speak. Are you ready to listen?
Unfortunately, creationists refuse to stop there.
It's political only because denialists make it so.
That's why I try not to refer to myself as a creationist even though I believe that there is a creator who brought the universe into being. I don't want people to assume that I think the earth is less than 10,000 years old or that we've only had rain for a few thousand years.
Creationism is against science.
Wow, I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. I joined not long after him. Evidently I've had better things to do over the past seven years.
What would it take for you to accept evolution as true? Does it have to be written down in the Bible to be so?
Why would the blind man be forced to do so? Why couldn't the blind man determine for himself if I gave him the proper rules and if the apparatus is operating correctly?
[qutoe]Your apparatus, your rules, your method of interpreting the results, and your trustworthiness. The blind man has to put his faith in you and your methods.
Nothing, absolutely nothing because they want to believe the Bible is true, evolution flies in the face of creationism so it must be fought tooth and nail, their beliefs must come first no matter what life and their eyes tell them.
What life and my eyes tell me and what science tells me is that Natural Selection helped species to adapt to their environment quickly. This leads to small and large variation in species. It also tells me that birds always remain birds and apes always remain apes. Apes don't turn into men and dinosaurs do not turn into birds.
There are non-Christians and non-Christian scientists that have also come to the conclusion that evolution theory is not correct and does not work according to scientific processes.
I'd be interested if you could point any out. In particular, I'd be interested if you can find one who is neither in the pay of one of the Creationist / ID thinktanks nor on the list because his (evolutionist) work was quote-mined by those thinktanks.
Can he be black?In particular, I'd be interested if you can find one who is neither in the pay of one of the Creationist / ID thinktanks nor on the list because his (evolutionist) work was quote-mined by those thinktanks.
I know God hasn't inspired you to speak.
Like I said, science books are inspired and written by men and they are full of lies.
I know God hasn't inspired you to speak. Like I said, science books are inspired and written by men and they are full of lies.
What life and my eyes tell me and what science tells me is that Natural Selection helped species to adapt to their environment quickly. This leads to small and large variation in species. It also tells me that birds always remain birds and apes always remain apes. Apes don't turn into men and dinosaurs do not turn into birds.
There are non-Christians and non-Christian scientists that have also come to the conclusion that evolution theory is not correct and does not work according to scientific processes.
You are not 2000 years old that's why, to be believed you must be very very old, the older you are the more believable you become, don't you know nuffink? I have even heard Christians say that they are not Muslims because the Bible is older than the Koran, don't laugh it's true.
That is correct. Dinosaurs did not "turn into" birds and apes did not "turn into" men. Man is still one of the kinds of ape, brother to chimp and bonobo and cousin to gorilla and orangutan.
I'd be interested if you could point any out. In particular, I'd be interested if you can find one who is neither in the pay of one of the Creationist / ID thinktanks nor on the list because his (evolutionist) work was quote-mined by those thinktanks.
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