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Check out what I just got in the mail. I'm very excited to read it. It is not every day that I get to sit down and read an American work of systematic theology.
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How did you fare at Trinity Divinity? Was it tough being a Calvinists there? Did you attend College Church?

I'm actually still there. I'm only half way through with my M.Div. There is actually a "healthy" mix up here. I would say that, for the most part, if someone is not a Calvinist, they are "moderately Calvinistic" in the vein of Millard Erickson (essentially Amyraldian). I can't think of too many self-proclaimed Arminians here. Now, I don't think there are many high Calvinists like me. But, there are definitely some people of all evangelical stripes here. The good thing is that it keeps me honest. But, my convictions regarding the doctrines of grace are not weaker because of that; rather, they have never been stronger.
 
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I'm actually still there. I'm only half way through with my M.Div. There is actually a "healthy" mix up here. I would say that, for the most part, if someone is not a Calvinist, they are "moderately Calvinistic" in the vein of Millard Erickson (essentially Amyraldian). I can't think of too many self-proclaimed Arminians here. Now, I don't think there are many high Calvinists like me. But, there are definitely some people of all evangelical stripes here. The good thing is that it keeps me honest. But, my convictions regarding the doctrines of grace are not weaker because of that; rather, they have never been stronger.

That's good news for you, and for the church. We need more pastors who have a love for the doctrines of grace.
 
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I'm actually still there. I'm only half way through with my M.Div. There is actually a "healthy" mix up here. I would say that, for the most part, if someone is not a Calvinist, they are "moderately Calvinistic" in the vein of Millard Erickson (essentially Amyraldian). I can't think of too many self-proclaimed Arminians here. Now, I don't think there are many high Calvinists like me. But, there are definitely some people of all evangelical stripes here. The good thing is that it keeps me honest. But, my convictions regarding the doctrines of grace are not weaker because of that; rather, they have never been stronger.
You mention in your sig that you are questioning your views on Covenant theology and baptism. What about them are you questioning if you don't mind me asking? Have you read the book "Covenant theology from Adam to Christ" or Pascal Denault's book on the distinctiveness of Baptist Covenant theology? What about John Gill's "Body of Divinity"?

I am just wondering not trying to be nosey.
 
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You mention in your sig that you are questioning your views on Covenant theology and baptism. What about them are you questioning if you don't mind me asking? Have you read the book "Covenant theology from Adam to Christ" or Pascal Denault's book on the distinctiveness of Baptist Covenant theology? What about John Gill's "Body of Divinity"?

When I say that I am questioning it, what I mean is that I am currently exploring and testing my current understanding of covenant theology. In particular, the nature of the New Covenant and the promise/covenant made to Abraham.

Yes, I have read Denault's book, and it was very compelling. However, it bothers me that so many of the theologians I admire and love are paedobaptist. Not that I am putting their opinions on the level of Scripture, but I am truly bothered that, in being a Reformed Baptist, I am going against the grain of Protestant history, in which is included some of the most brilliant minds in history.

Therefore, I am just taking some serious time to really become familiar with the arguments on both sides.
 
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When I say that I am questioning it, what I mean is that I am currently exploring and testing my current understanding of covenant theology. In particular, the nature of the New Covenant and the promise/covenant made to Abraham.

Yes, I have read Denault's book, and it was very compelling. However, it bothers me that so many of the theologians I admire and love are paedobaptist. Not that I am putting their opinions on the level of Scripture, but I am truly bothered that, in being a Reformed Baptist, I am going against the grain of Protestant history, in which is included some of the most brilliant minds in history.

Therefore, I am just taking some serious time to really become familiar with the arguments on both sides.
I think that you would profit from reading some of Gill as well if you haven't already done so. He does a masterful job of defending believers baptism.

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/gills_archive.htm
 
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When I say that I am questioning it, what I mean is that I am currently exploring and testing my current understanding of covenant theology. In particular, the nature of the New Covenant and the promise/covenant made to Abraham.

Yes, I have read Denault's book, and it was very compelling. However, it bothers me that so many of the theologians I admire and love are paedobaptist. Not that I am putting their opinions on the level of Scripture, but I am truly bothered that, in being a Reformed Baptist, I am going against the grain of Protestant history, in which is included some of the most brilliant minds in history.

Therefore, I am just taking some serious time to really become familiar with the arguments on both sides.

My experience was just the opposite. After holding default baptistic and Arminian views for over 20 years, I said to to my wife, every preacher and teacher that makes sense of the Bible are all Presbyterians. Like you, I don't think that means that they are correct because of it, but it can't be ignored either.
 
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I think that you would profit from reading some of Gill as well if you haven't already done so. He does a masterful job of defending believers baptism.

I actually have Gill in an old hardcopy. I started reading through him a while back. When I have some more time, I will read through his treatment of it, although I am already familiar with his understanding of covenant theology.

My experience was just the opposite. After holding default baptistic and Arminian views for over 20 years, I said to to my wife, every preacher and teacher that makes sense of the Bible are all Presbyterians. Like you, I don't think that means that they are correct because of it, but it can't be ignored either.

Exactly. My biblical convictions at the moment are credobaptist, but the fact that literally every theologian I admire outside of Gill is paedobaptist bothers me. I want to see what they are seeing.
 
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I blogged this back in 2013 and I think it still holds up.

It’s probably fair to say that most Calvinistic, Particular or “Reformed” Baptists feel peer pressure to pursue the study of paedobaptist covenantalism. I have been personally told on numerous occasions that I should move toward a “full” covenant theology and embrace the baptism of infants “into the covenant.” In an effort to deal with my Reformed brothers and sisters honestly I have taken the the time to understand the reasons for paedobaptism and still cannot agree with the practice. Over the years I have been blessed by more than a few titles that helped me move toward and define my Baptist covenant theology. In an effort to help others along I decided to create a list of books I consider essential reading on the subject, titles that I own, have read and will continue to re-read for years to come. This is not a definitive list of titles but a list to get you going in the right direction. Some of them I have mentioned before.



1)
Most Particular Baptists have heard of A. W. Pink but not all Particular Baptists have heard or read his work on the covenants. The Divine Covenants can be read online for free which I how is read it the first time. I ordered a physical copy (so I could mark up and underline) from Pietan Publications via email for under $15 bucks. Solid deal.



2) The second book on the Baptist shelf isn’t a slam dunk but it is important because the editor included choice articles that deal with patristics, the logic behind paedobaptism and the relationship one covenant has to another. Believer’s Baptism: Sign of the New Covenant in Christ is part of the New American Commentary Studies in Bible & Theology published by B&H Academic.



3) Baptism in the Early Church by H. F. Stander & J. P. Louw is one of the most interesting I have read. Both Stander and Louw are Reformed and therefore baptize infants. They examine passages often sited as proof for infant baptism from the early church including art work. They arrive at a decidedly credobaptist position.



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Paedobaptist covenant theology finds its fullest expression in the pronouncements of the Westminster Standards. Dr. Gary Crampton moved From Padeobaptism to Credobaptism as the title of his short work suggests offering a critique of the Westminster Standards in relation to baptism.



5)
One of the most important works for Particular Baptists to have been reprinted is Covenant Theology: From Adam To Christ by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen. Coxe explains the differences of the old and new covenant, the difference between promise and fulfillment, who receives baptism is a give in after all the theological dust settles. For years I had referred to my own understanding of covenant theology as “modified” covenantalism only to find, with great joy, Coxe and Owen expressed the same theology with an emphasis on republication of the covenant of works at Sinai. Awesome read.



6) Last title on the list will add to your understanding of how covenant theology was expressed by Baptists and some Presbyterians during the 17th century. Many of our Particular Baptist fathers agreed with other non-conformists on the republican of the covenant at Sinai which was latter rejected by the Westminster Assembly. Dr. Beeke has a chapter in A Puritan Theology: Doctrine for Life titled The Minority Report in which he describes the idea of republication as being held by a minority of those in attendance at Westminster. Was it truly a minority view or the minority view held by those in attendance? Pascal Denault’s work titled The Distinctiveness of Baptist Covenant Theology walks you through some important documents pertaining to covenant theology and the issues the church struggled with at the time. This work is key in tying up loose ends.



Honourable Mention:
A Complete Body of Doctrinal and Practical Divinity by John Gill. No matter where I go in my theological study I just can’t shake Dr. Voluminous. He is the only man to write a COMPLETE verse-by-verse exposition of the ENTIRE Bible. Others have come close to matching this task but do in fact skip verses, bunch them together or died leaving the work for others to complete. Dr. John Gill’s work on the covenant differs in places from the work of Nehemiah Coxe and therefore the London Baptist Confession 1689, but you will benefit from reading his works, using his commentaries and taking time to ruminate on these deep truths. I linked Valley Gospel Mission Books in Canada above which has the 3 volumes paperback set listed at $37.

I pray this post was useful.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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A good read, traducianism, notwithstanding.

I am interested to see his defense of the doctrine, and especially its interaction with Original Sin. As you may well know, a poll was taken at some point in the past at The Puritan Board (of which I believe you are a part), and very slightly less than half of the folks that took the poll held to a traducian view of the human soul.
 
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