Nephilim

[Bluelion]

The sons of God who slept with women. I believe they were angels. here is the verses.

NIV Gen 6
6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.


NLT Gen 6

Then the people began to multiply on the earth, and daughters were born to them. 2 The sons of God saw the beautiful women[a] and took any they wanted as their wives. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years.”

4 In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.

5 The Lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil. 6 So the Lord was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart. 7 And the Lord said, “I will wipe this human race I have created from the face of the earth. Yes, and I will destroy every living thing—all the people, the large animals, the small animals that scurry along the ground, and even the birds of the sky. I am sorry I ever made them.” 8 But Noah found favor with the Lord.

NKJV Gen 6

6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.


Now the NIV says human which is not in other translation.

I believe they were angels because first it says daughters of men then separate group Sons of God. Now some say these were men who found favor with the Lord that the righteous slept with unrighteous. But this does not explain why the men became great hero of Great strength, and were wicked. There is a another name give we have not heard nephilim. To me this points to a new race, I believe half angel have men which would explain there great strength, and them being giants. To me that explains a lot about this group nephilim.

What do you believe and why. Biblical evidence would be great, but how you interpret the text is good to.

There is no right answer, I have not made up my mind by I am leaning towards angels.

 

[now faith]

There is a right answer,you just haven't found it yet.

The KJ states this simpler without a presuming Nephilim.
There can be one other option the seed of Cain from Nod
The sons of Adam could be the sons of God and seed of Cain
Could be daughters of men.
I still ponder who Cain married in Nod or what subspecies.
When he departed there were only two sons no daughters,
He killed Able went to Nod knew his wife then Adams third son
Was born,Seth.
There after Adam had sons and daughters.
The only other woman on earth when Cain left was Eve.
Besides incest she remained with Adam and had Seth she was Adams wife not Cains.

I stress this due to some thinking this was Eve and Cain.

So another human?
A Neanderthal possibly?

It would support there wicked nature due to offspring of Cain.

I am not sure Angels are able to mix with humans.

But I don't deny the concept either.

 

[now faith]

When God creates Eve,to paraphrase he says: now man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife.

What father and mother was he referring to?
Was he speaking with foreknowledge or perception?

Could he have observed a tribal people who in bred?
Seeing the results of inbreeding in the tribes,he was separating a man and wife from a group so they could not crossbreed in their own group.

But God made man in his image,preserved Noah who was in the direct line of Adam.
Only a theory but would bridge scientific findings of sculls being shaped different, than today,and still support creation.
The scientists site evolution for the difference, I site the flood destroying these people.

Noah's scull would be just like ours.

 

[Bluelion]

Hmm that is interesting. Could it be that Adam only Had daughters before cain and able and that they went out into the world. It would appear we are missing piece of the puzzle that God has left out for good reason. Maybe God did not want us focused to much on these events?

But the question remains if they were not angels which took wives, why did they have there choice of women which could point to them being more powerful the men? And why did there off spring grow to be giants and strong me heroes, if these were just men what factor made this bloodline great but wicked to. Now if a fallen angel could sleep with a woman their off spring would be quite wicked, and would have a measure of supernatural strength, and a fallen angel could take what ever woman they chose coming from heaven they would appear beautiful, but also would be far stronger than any man. The angel theory would answer these questions. How ever what you suggest creates more. what do you think?

I don't think incest created such mutations back then that happen today. Remember Lot's daughters slept with him, but there was no word if there babies were mutations. Maybe mutations is not the correct word, maybe birth defects is?

I think you make an interesting point with skulls if birth defect were common because of a great deal of incest that occurred back then, then today we would find all kinds of weird skulls. We know a person with autism has a different skull then you or me. Maybe this is why they claim evolution, but what is not factor in is birth defects. My wife told me the other day of a baby born with two heads, now image if they found that body.

 

[th1bill]

BL,
I'm posting my teaching notes on this and for reference I recommend checking with Hank Hannigraf, the Bible Answer Man on the radio or at equip.org.



Genesis 6:1:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them,
Genesis 6:2:
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. (ASV0


Here is a controversial passage that oft generates great conversations and some times silly arguments. The single most common error with this passage is to determine the “sons of God” are Angels, this is just not so. Going outside the scriptures to study the customs of the ancient Hebrew and we find that, before the Flood, the sons of God was a reference to the linage of Seth, the third, listed, son of Adam, the Godly line, as opposed to Cain. These daughters of men would be, then, daughters of Cain's line or some other but not of Seth.


Genesis 6:3:
And Jehovah said, My Spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.


Wow!! Adam was created perfect but gave that away and men lived for, an average of better than 900 years, often not bearing children until after their hundred years on the Earth and God was so upset He cut over 8/10ths of their live off.


Genesis 6:4:
The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
Genesis 6:5:
And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.


Now, here is more fuel for this discussion and this is oft tossed at me like yesterdays trash when this is discussed, especially on the Web. Again, these men are not Angels, in the form of men, they are men, large bodied, as is recorded by archeology and ancient writtings.


Here we need the meat of this subject introduced. Angels, like God, the Father and God the Spirit are spirit beings! Except God determines it to be, they have no extension in Time and Space. Now you need to draw on Primary education here. God knows everything you will ever do, thousands f years ago, He knew you would do it! (read Jeremiah) God knew us before we were concieved!


This being true, and it is, God knew Lucifer would betra Him before He created him and He knows what every other angel will ever do. God has no evil in Him and the Demons, fallen Angels, cannot enter into the body of a man without God making it so, and that would require God to be evil at some point. That should get a conversation started.


Genesis 6:6:
And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:7:
And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the ground; both man, and beast, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; for it repenteth me that I have made them.


Now, here we need to be ready to think. God has seen this recorded for our edification and we, oft. Toss this on the floor and walk away from it. Remember now, in Primary Classes, as first thru third grade levels we learned, from the Bible that nothing is unknown by God, before hand! So, why does this say what it says?


Remember, God is teaching His created beings how He wants us to live. Before God created Adam He knew he would follow Eve, rather than to choose to walk with him and He created us anyway. On the other hand, God is teaching us to understand some things about Him and, like the expulsion from the Garden, here is another lesson on the Wrath of God.


Genesis 6:8:
But Noah found favor in the eyes of Jehovah.
Genesis 6:9:
These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:10:
And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


I would enjoy believing that I could state that Noah demonstrates the idea that the line of Seth remained pure but that is not the case. God found all of man to be evil and even the sons of Noah are not excluded from that statement. So what in the world am I talking about, his sons and their wives were saved! And that is my Life Application here.


Noah's sons came under the influence of their dad and because of Noah, they were spared. As we look around us we see folks that God, could and sometimes should, exterminate but I tell you they have the mercy of God because of God's people in their midst, just as Noah's sons were blessed by their earthly father.


Genesis 6:11:
And the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Genesis 6:12:
And God saw the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.




Genesis 6:13:
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Genesis 6:14:
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Genesis 6:15:
And this is how thou shalt make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Genesis 6:16:
A light shalt thou make to the ark, and to a cubit shalt thou finish it upward; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
Genesis 6:17:
And I, behold, I do bring the flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is in the earth shall die.
Genesis 6:18:
But I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee.
Genesis 6:19:
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
Genesis 6:20:
Of the birds after their kind, and of the cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
Genesis 6:21:
And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.




Genesis 6:22:
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.


Verse 19 is, absolutely the end of the silly idea that God killed the Dinosaurs. The Ark was built to the measure of a cubit. (A cubit is the length from the tip of your longest finger to the tip of your bent elbow, about 18 inches) Form this and from the remains of the monsters we easily see that adult dinosaurs did not enter the Ark and certainly not seven adult pairs of each species.


However, God saw to it that every species survived the flood. Now, it is important to remember what you have learned from the previous chapters. We know that Adam was created with the ability to live forever and worthy of discussion is, does that mean spiritually only or did that include his created body?

 

[98cwitr]

I read Gen. 1 and 2 as separate creation stories, so it makes sense that there were other humans at the time Adam and Eve (the creation of the Abramic line) was created that Cain could marry

 

[Bluelion]

I read Gen. 1 and 2 as separate creation stories, so it makes sense that there were other humans at the time Adam and Eve (the creation of the Abramic line) was created that Cain could marry

i think 1 and 2 go together, but if that is the case we are missing a piece of the puzzle. Let me ask you how fun will it be to gather round Jesus and have him tell the story of what happen. image what we will learn from God when we have eternity with Him.

 

[now faith]

There is a gap theory out there that I cannot believe.

One thing for sure,when we carefully examine time lines and Cain born first then Able
To our understanding it is a mystery.

 

[98cwitr]

i think 1 and 2 go together, but if that is the case we are missing a piece of the puzzle. Let me ask you how fun will it be to gather round Jesus and have him tell the story of what happen. image what we will learn from God when we have eternity with Him.

Would be awesome

Compare Genesis 1:1-2 to Genesis 2:1-4 and ask yourself...where exactly does the reiteration start. Does it start at verse 2:4 or 2:8? Honestly, I end the first chapter of Genesis 1 at 2:7. Remember, the original manuscripts dont have chapter and verse numbers

 

[th1bill]

The Gap Theory is just that, a theory conceived by a man or men. The telling of the Creation in two forms is in keeping with an ancient Hebrew custom, nothing more. It is commonly disputed based on our ideas of Godly morality today but Cain did not marry a woman in the land of Nod, he took his bride with him from his sisters or possibly his cousins.

Remember, God has not given us a recorded time period for Adam's time in the Garden. We do know that Adam was created perfect and was only less than perfect after He followed Eve into sin. This perfect man lived for over 900 years and had plenty of time to produce more children than are recorded in Genesis. In fact, we know he did so because the command not to marry within our related blood line did not come for hundreds of years after Adam's death. (Food for thought.)

It is important that we place our faith in God and in doing so, we must believe him as a three or four year old child believes his or her dad and mom. Without that kind of faith we must, every one of us question our own faith and salvation. Without faith we are not saved, making this, the basis that all scripture is built on, essentially imperative.

The modern day New Testament and New Covenant Christians have thrown the Bible that Jesus, Paul and the other Fathers of the Faith taught from into the trash but I tell you the first 39 books of the Christian versions of the Bible are the Bible and the following 27, the New Testament, are the only God ordained Life Application Commentary that has ever been written.

God did not come to Earth as a man and change anything. (Mal. 3:6a) The modern day science of DNA has proven that every man, woman and child descended from one mother and they, graciously called her Eve.

May God bless the reading of His Word.

 

[Bluelion]

There is a gap theory out there that I cannot believe.

One thing for sure,when we carefully examine time lines and Cain born first then Able
To our understanding it is a mystery.

Indeed

 

[Bluelion]

Would be awesome

Compare Genesis 1:1-2 to Genesis 2:1-4 and ask yourself...where exactly does the reiteration start. Does it start at verse 2:4 or 2:8? Honestly, I end the first chapter of Genesis 1 at 2:7. Remember, the original manuscripts dont have chapter and verse numbers

to me it starts again at 2:4, like saying this is the specifics and then goes into detail of the creation of man. That makes sense God would do this One mankind Gods most beloved creation, 2 He is telling the story to mankind, so it makes sense he would highlight that story.

 

[Bluelion]

The Gap Theory is just that, a theory conceived by a man or men. The telling of the Creation in two forms is in keeping with an ancient Hebrew custom, nothing more. It is commonly disputed based on our ideas of Godly morality today but Cain did not marry a woman in the land of Nod, he took his bride with him from his sisters or possibly his cousins.

Remember, God has not given us a recorded time period for Adam's time in the Garden. We do know that Adam was created perfect and was only less than perfect after He followed Eve into sin. This perfect man lived for over 900 years and had plenty of time to produce more children than are recorded in Genesis. In fact, we know he did so because the command not to marry within our related blood line did not come for hundreds of years after Adam's death. (Food for thought.)

It is important that we place our faith in God and in doing so, we must believe him as a three or four year old child believes his or her dad and mom. Without that kind of faith we must, every one of us question our own faith and salvation. Without faith we are not saved, making this, the basis that all scripture is built on, essentially imperative.

The modern day New Testament and New Covenant Christians have thrown the Bible that Jesus, Paul and the other Fathers of the Faith taught from into the trash but I tell you the first 39 books of the Christian versions of the Bible are the Bible and the following 27, the New Testament, are the only God ordained Life Application Commentary that has ever been written.

God did not come to Earth as a man and change anything. (Mal. 3:6a) The modern day science of DNA has proven that every man, woman and child descended from one mother and they, graciously called her Eve.

May God bless the reading of His Word.

I think while we all have questions we do also have faith. The beauty is we don't need all the answers we trust God left things out for a reason, and He does not answer to us, but will reveal them when He is ready. I don't think our God is one who enjoys secrets. I think He wants to share everything, but there are reasons He does not. It might just be for this world and in the next we will know all of it directly from Him, or maybe we will have to mature to be ready for it. Just brings joy to my heart thinking about what it will be like.


This is bit off topic but my brother who claims to be a Christian, i have discussed before I don't think he is, he dislikes talking about the coming of the Lord and heaven, To him he wants to put it out of his mind and live for today. Does this point to maybe he does not have part in the heavenly kingdom so he does not want to think of it? Why do some Christian prefer not to think of Heaven when this is not what Jesus taught us to do? He taught us to be fixed on Heaven.

 

[98cwitr]

The Gap Theory is just that, a theory conceived by a man or men. The telling of the Creation in two forms is in keeping with an ancient Hebrew custom, nothing more. It is commonly disputed based on our ideas of Godly morality today but Cain did not marry a woman in the land of Nod, he took his bride with him from his sisters or possibly his cousins.

Remember, God has not given us a recorded time period for Adam's time in the Garden. We do know that Adam was created perfect and was only less than perfect after He followed Eve into sin. This perfect man lived for over 900 years and had plenty of time to produce more children than are recorded in Genesis. In fact, we know he did so because the command not to marry within our related blood line did not come for hundreds of years after Adam's death. (Food for thought.)

It is important that we place our faith in God and in doing so, we must believe him as a three or four year old child believes his or her dad and mom. Without that kind of faith we must, every one of us question our own faith and salvation. Without faith we are not saved, making this, the basis that all scripture is built on, essentially imperative.

The modern day New Testament and New Covenant Christians have thrown the Bible that Jesus, Paul and the other Fathers of the Faith taught from into the trash but I tell you the first 39 books of the Christian versions of the Bible are the Bible and the following 27, the New Testament, are the only God ordained Life Application Commentary that has ever been written.

God did not come to Earth as a man and change anything. (Mal. 3:6a) The modern day science of DNA has proven that every man, woman and child descended from one mother and they, graciously called her Eve.

May God bless the reading of His Word.

Couple of good points from wikipedia on the subject

Angels already existed in a state of grace when God "laid the foundations of the Earth", so there had been at least one creative act of God before the six days of Genesis. Job 38:4-7[11][15]

Satan had fallen from grace "in the beginning" which, since the serpent tempted Adam and Eve, had to have occurred before the Fall of man. Isaiah 14:12-15, Ezekiel 28:11-19, John 8:44[10][11][15]

Space, time, water, and the rock which constitutes the main body of the earth, existed before the period of six days began in Genesis 1:3.[12]

 

[now faith]

The Gap Theory is just that, a theory conceived by a man or men. The telling of the Creation in two forms is in keeping with an ancient Hebrew custom, nothing more. It is commonly disputed based on our ideas of Godly morality today but Cain did not marry a woman in the land of Nod, he took his bride with him from his sisters or possibly his cousins.

Remember, God has not given us a recorded time period for Adam's time in the Garden. We do know that Adam was created perfect and was only less than perfect after He followed Eve into sin. This perfect man lived for over 900 years and had plenty of time to produce more children than are recorded in Genesis. In fact, we know he did so because the command not to marry within our related blood line did not come for hundreds of years after Adam's death. (Food for thought.)

It is important that we place our faith in God and in doing so, we must believe him as a three or four year old child believes his or her dad and mom. Without that kind of faith we must, every one of us question our own faith and salvation. Without faith we are not saved, making this, the basis that all scripture is built on, essentially imperative.

The modern day New Testament and New Covenant Christians have thrown the Bible that Jesus, Paul and the other Fathers of the Faith taught from into the trash but I tell you the first 39 books of the Christian versions of the Bible are the Bible and the following 27, the New Testament, are the only God ordained Life Application Commentary that has ever been written.

God did not come to Earth as a man and change anything. (Mal. 3:6a) The modern day science of DNA has proven that every man, woman and child descended from one mother and they, graciously called her Eve.

May God bless the reading of His Word.

Cain was first born Able was second,when Cain slew Able and God sent him out he feared he would be killed for slaying Able God put a mark on him with a curse for anyone who would harm him.
Who was there to harm him?
There were no sisters born at the time Cain was cast out,Ables replacement was Seth.
Then Adam had daughters and sons.
The event timeline does not support Cain waiting for sisters to be born.
He went to nod and knew his wife and had Enoch.

Don't worry bro this makes me crazy!

 

[Bluelion]

Couple of good points from wikipedia on the subject

Angels already existed in a state of grace when God "laid the foundations of the Earth", so there had been at least one creative act of God before the six days of Genesis. Job 38:4-7[11][15]

Satan had fallen from grace "in the beginning" which, since the serpent tempted Adam and Eve, had to have occurred before the Fall of man. Isaiah 14:12-15, Ezekiel 28:11-19, John 8:44[10][11][15]

Space, time, water, and the rock which constitutes the main body of the earth, existed before the period of six days began in Genesis 1:3.[12]

Lets leave wikipedia out of this.

I believe the Bible speaks to his first sin as that of pride.

KJV says void a void is nothingness. there was literally nothing. Then it would appear water. maybe the earth core is liquefied. Wait i believe science agree with this eureka. Have we found common ground with science?

 

[jhwatts]

The sons of God are not human. The Bible does mention them in a few other places beside Genesis.

Lets look at Job 1:6-7 and Job 38:5-7. We can conclude several interesting things from these scriptures. We see in Job 1:6 that the sons of God are in the presence of God and came to present themselves to him. They are also in the presence of Satan. Could these beings be human? One interesting thing about verse 6 is the Bible said that Satan came among them. Was Satan traveling with them? If so, verse 7 said he has been walking around on earth.

We can also conclude from Job 38:5-7 that they existed when God formed the Earth. Humans had not been created yet.These being are not human.

 

[Bluelion]

The sons of God are not human. The Bible does mention them in a few other places beside Genesis.

Lets look at Job 1:6-7 and Job 38:5-7. We can conclude several interesting things from these scriptures. We see in Job 1:6 that the sons of God are in the presence of God and came to present themselves to him. They are also in the presence of Satan. Could these beings be human? One interesting thing about verse 6 is the Bible said that Satan came among them. Was Satan traveling with them? If so, verse 7 said he has been walking around on earth.

We can also conclude from Job 38:5-7 that they existed when God formed the Earth. Humans had not been created yet.These being are not human.

also the name nephilim sounds like a new race to me, why a different name for this off spring?

I think sons of God being angels explains a lot of things like, why there sons became giants, why there sons had great strength and why there sons were so evil. If you say the sons of God were human then all those question are unanswered.

 

[jhwatts]

I think they are angels too, although it is hard to say.

A book titled Earths Earliest Ages by G.H. Pember has a nice discussion on the sons of God in one of its appendices.

Angles Elect and Evil by Fred Dickasons is another good book on the subject.

There are lots of scripture in both books to glean from.

 

[now faith]

The sons of God are not human. The Bible does mention them in a few other places beside Genesis.

Lets look at Job 1:6-7 and Job 38:5-7. We can conclude several interesting things from these scriptures. We see in Job 1:6 that the sons of God are in the presence of God and came to present themselves to him. They are also in the presence of Satan. Could these beings be human? One interesting thing about verse 6 is the Bible said that Satan came among them. Was Satan traveling with them? If so, verse 7 said he has been walking around on earth.

We can also conclude from Job 38:5-7 that they existed when God formed the Earth. Humans had not been created yet.These being are not human.

Do we discern the terminology,in a systematic method?

If so we are Angels as well according to the New Testament because those in Christ are Sons of God.

Adam was a son due to him being punished but forgiven of sin.

Sons are referring to Angels in Job,but sons are referring to men elsewhere.

Jesus was Gods only begotten son,referring to impregnated by Spirit into human form.

But I do not disagree I just don't know Angels or men