Nephilim

[Tsigano]

Apparently there are 2 main theories about the passage in Genesis 6 describing these.

1) Fallen angels
2) sons of Cain

My pastor believes and preached 2) on Sunday but I have always believed 1) and want to think this one through properly.

Which one do you believe and how does scripture support your view?

I am certain they are the offspring of fallen angels. Not only does the scripture support this in it's wording but also we see that both before the flood and during the time that God sent the Jews in the land of Canaan, this seed was very bad to the point God destroyed from mankind.

With regards to the sons of Cain then this is in a spiritual sense. I am from a Romani Gypsy family so I have studied Romani and many other travelling / nomadic associated people from around the world in an attempt to know my people better.

Something that amazes me is even though most have no biological link, they all tend to do the same occupation. Often it has caused so called "educated" scholars to conclude we are all of the same ancestry but more recent and much fuller evidence proves there is no link other then through shared lifestyle.
Romani originate from the Rajasthan region of northwest India whereas Pavee (Irish Travelers) originate from the normal Irish people.
They both along with other ethnic groups across the world have adopted similar lifestyles of traveling and metalwork. In these later years, many are having revivals of the Holy Spirit and are coming the Christ in large numbers - Please pray for them

 

[pshun2404]

It was the uncircumcised heart of men that lead to this strange "resurrection" or angels taking on bodies made of flesh.

This is not correct. Angels being able to assume the forms of men has nothing to do with resurrection and it is quite Biblical. When the Lord and His two angels appear unto Abraham in the fields of Mamre it is in the forms of men. The angel that appears to Manoah and his wife is in the form of a man. The New Testament warns us to beware lest we entertain an angel unawares, and so on…it is apparent that certain orders of angels can appear as men (some say only with the Lord’s permission and others say we cannot know that at that time this order could do this of their own free will). The question is could angels when appearing in this form (thus becoming corporeal) procreate?

Gen 5
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
For this cause, the nephilim were allowed to live after death or after the flood.

The Lord destroyed all pre-flood Nephilim…He destroyed all living land bound creatures save those on the Ark.

 

[Tsigano]

The scriptures make it clear that a son of God (not "the" son of God) is different to a son of man. Cross reference all the verse that use "sons of God" in the old Testament is very clearly a reference to an angel.

I am guessing this because we are descended through Adam whereas as Angels don't to our knowledge have children and are directly from God. It would also seem very apparent and is commonly accepted that there aren't any females angels in Heaven.

When God made Adam he was made in the likeness of God. Man is made of three parts = Soul, Spirit & Body. Sin is fed by desires of the flesh and from sin comes death (of both flesh and soul). When we rise back up from the grave as Christians to meet Jesus, we will receive a new body. One that won't perish like the body of the flesh.

The verse in genesis says that angels took wives from the daughters of man which we can assume to be a sin for an angel.

In books such as Daniel we see verses that say "The" Angel of God as opposed to "an" angel of God. When Jesus appears to John in the book of Revelations He has His new body.

The beginning of John make it clear that Jesus came first and all things were made for Him.

 

[tahoe]

Apparently there are 2 main theories about the passage in Genesis 6 describing these.

1) Fallen angels
2) sons of Cain

My pastor believes and preached 2) on Sunday but I have always believed 1) and want to think this one through properly.

Which one do you believe and how does scripture support your view?

Edit - I was in a hurry yesterday and miswrote! Sorry about that :-o

I firmly believe the Bible interprets the Bible.

Sons of God are angels. If you look at Job 1:6 it says - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Nephilim/Giants are therefore the offspring of fallen angels/human women.

 

[Tsigano]

I firmly believe the Bible interprets the Bible.

Sons of God are angels. If you look at Job 1:6 it says - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Nephilim/Giants are therefore the offspring of fallen angels/human women.

x2. I agree with this

 

[Somber]

I believe that in the older books of the bible (Genesis and Job), it at times refers to the "sons of God" as angels.
Genesis 6:4-5
"4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:1-3
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

It should be noted that before Christ, Satan and the fallen angels could go and accuse those upon earth before the throne of God as mentioned in the book of Job. When Jesus came, died on the cross, and rose from the dead, he concurred sin and death and the fallen angels could no longer come before the throne of God and accuse the brethren.Revelation 12:9-11 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.'


Job 38:5-7
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

In the epistle of Peter he mentions angels that sinned who are in chains reserved unto judgment, while also mentioning Noah and the flood! So referring to the Genesis passage.

2 Peter 2:3-5
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

It also mentions this in Jude.
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude also quotes a passage from the book of Enoch 1:9 in verses 14-15
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

From what I have read in Jude and Peter's epistles, they both seem to have a knowledge of the book of Enoch. In the book of Enoch in chapter 15, it talks about how the angels (also known as watchers) defiled themselves with the daughters of men and it even explains about the giants.

Many people believe that the book of Enoch was corrupted, and that might be so. I just find it interesting how both Peter and Jude have similarities to it. In a history article I read once that the apostles had the book of Enoch with them at the time, so during their lives it must not have been a corrupted version.



Anyway, this is just my thoughts on it. I have studied the scriptures many times on it and I really think that they were fallen angels.