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<blockquote data-quote="shadowmage36" data-source="post: 26361735" data-attributes="member: 157711"><p><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/crossrc.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":crossrc:" title="RC Cross :crossrc:" data-shortname=":crossrc:" /></p><p>I believe in God, the Father, Almighty,</p><p>Creator of Heaven and Earth,</p><p>Of all that is seen and unseen.</p><p>And in Jesus Christ, His only son,</p><p>Eternally begotten from the father, </p><p>God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,</p><p>Begotten not made, one in Being with the Father, through whom all things were made.</p><p> For us men and for our salvation came down from the heaven </p><p>By the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and become man.</p><p>For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;</p><p>He suffered, died, and was buried.</p><p>On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures.</p><p>He ascended to heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father.</p><p>He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,</p><p>And his kingdom will have no end.</p><p>And in the Holy Spirit. the Lord, the Giver of Life,Who proceeds from the Father and the Son</p><p>With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified</p><p>He has spoken through the Prophets.</p><p>We believe in one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church</p><p>We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.</p><p>We look for the resurrection of the dead,and the life of the world to come.</p><p></p><p><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/amen.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":amen:" title="Amen :amen:" data-shortname=":amen:" /></p><p></p><p>I also believe that evolution of species occurs. I have no problem reconciling this. There is no doubt in my mind that all of science is correct. God would not give us a reasoning mind, and expect us to deny everything that it told us. That would be cruel, and ours is a loving God.</p><p></p><p>It is insulting to me and to all other Christians who believe in science to make claims like those you do. I'm only going to say this once:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME, OR FOR ANYONE ELSE. </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OR HOW I OR ANYONE ELSE BELIEVES. </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>STOP MAKING HATEFUL GENERALIZATIONS.</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING OF THAT WHICH YOU DECIDE TO ARGUE ABOUT. IT MAKES YOUR ARGUMENTS FAR MORE CREDIBLE.</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong></strong><span style="font-size: 10px">I am sick and F-ing tired of people making generalizations about Christians who believe in evolution. No matter what anyone says, it <strong>is</strong> perfectly possible to believe in the Virgin Birth and Resurrection of Christ, while also believing that humanity evolved from early primates over the course of millions of years, which in turn evolved from earlier mammals, and so on back to the first self-replicating molecules.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px">If you have a problem with my believing this, that is your right as an American, and I respect that.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">BUT I WILL NOT TOLERATE BLATANT INSULTS AND RIDICULE OF MY OWN BELIEFS. </span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></strong><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px">While I may disagree with creationists on their scientific beliefs and total ignorance and refusal to even attempt to learn anything about the subjects they debate (not a generalization. This statement is based on personal experience), and will ridicule <strong>that </strong>until the cows come home, I will <strong>NOT</strong>, under <strong>any circumstances</strong>, ridicule another's religious beliefs. Scientific knowledge is something easily gained, if you choose. Faith is harder. I can respect that.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px">But only if you respect mine. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px">A clarification: I do not consider anything that is pseudoscience of any sort to be part of religious beliefs. Science and religion are separate entities. Neither should have any part of the other. Ergo, religions that purport to have scientific beliefs do not fall under my umbrella of respect. They are degrading to both science and religion, and that is something that I also cannot tolerate.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px">And I'm done.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shadowmage36, post: 26361735, member: 157711"] :crossrc: I believe in God, the Father, Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth, Of all that is seen and unseen. And in Jesus Christ, His only son, Eternally begotten from the father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, Begotten not made, one in Being with the Father, through whom all things were made. For us men and for our salvation came down from the heaven By the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and become man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended to heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, And his kingdom will have no end. And in the Holy Spirit. the Lord, the Giver of Life,Who proceeds from the Father and the Son With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead,and the life of the world to come. :amen: I also believe that evolution of species occurs. I have no problem reconciling this. There is no doubt in my mind that all of science is correct. God would not give us a reasoning mind, and expect us to deny everything that it told us. That would be cruel, and ours is a loving God. It is insulting to me and to all other Christians who believe in science to make claims like those you do. I'm only going to say this once: [SIZE=5][B]YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME, OR FOR ANYONE ELSE. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OR HOW I OR ANYONE ELSE BELIEVES. STOP MAKING HATEFUL GENERALIZATIONS. TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING OF THAT WHICH YOU DECIDE TO ARGUE ABOUT. IT MAKES YOUR ARGUMENTS FAR MORE CREDIBLE. [/B][SIZE=2]I am sick and F-ing tired of people making generalizations about Christians who believe in evolution. No matter what anyone says, it [B]is[/B] perfectly possible to believe in the Virgin Birth and Resurrection of Christ, while also believing that humanity evolved from early primates over the course of millions of years, which in turn evolved from earlier mammals, and so on back to the first self-replicating molecules. If you have a problem with my believing this, that is your right as an American, and I respect that. [B][SIZE=5]BUT I WILL NOT TOLERATE BLATANT INSULTS AND RIDICULE OF MY OWN BELIEFS. [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=5][SIZE=2]While I may disagree with creationists on their scientific beliefs and total ignorance and refusal to even attempt to learn anything about the subjects they debate (not a generalization. This statement is based on personal experience), and will ridicule [B]that [/B]until the cows come home, I will [B]NOT[/B], under [B]any circumstances[/B], ridicule another's religious beliefs. Scientific knowledge is something easily gained, if you choose. Faith is harder. I can respect that. But only if you respect mine. A clarification: I do not consider anything that is pseudoscience of any sort to be part of religious beliefs. Science and religion are separate entities. Neither should have any part of the other. Ergo, religions that purport to have scientific beliefs do not fall under my umbrella of respect. They are degrading to both science and religion, and that is something that I also cannot tolerate. And I'm done. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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