Neo-Darwinian evolution is in trouble INSIDE the scientific community

Subduction Zone · Aug 11, 2017

The white cliffs of Dover are entirely made of fossils. They are microscopic in size but that does not mean that they are not fossilized life forms. This picture alone refutes the claim of only a semi-truck of fossils:

This is a "thin section" of chalk through a petrographic microscope:

It is entirely made up of cocolithophores:

Jimmy D · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
Which also includes modern fossils- no doubt the majority- and the rest are otherwise very incomplete and tiny bones.

That's just reality- sorry to burst your evolution bubble.
It's appealing to anti-theists.

What fossils were you talking about? Why are you now adding caveats to your initial statement now it's been shown to be faulty?

Fossil discoveries can be easily researched in this day and age via google. You have no excuse for ignorance, apart from really, really wanting to believe it.

Subduction Zone · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
Which also includes modern fossils- no doubt the majority- and the rest are otherwise very incomplete and tiny bones.

That's just reality- sorry to burst your evolution bubble.
It's appealing to anti-theists.

What do you mean by "modern fossils"?

Fossils are old by definition.

HighCherub · Aug 11, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
What do you mean by "modern fossils"?

Fossils aren't hard to come by- there are trillions of animals on this planet consistently living and dying.

Nine times out of ten, a person merely finds a modern fossil.

Jimmy D · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
Fossils aren't hard to come by- there are trillions of animals on this planet consistently living and dying.

Nine times out of ten, a person merely finds a modern fossil.

What's a modern fossil?

HighCherub · Aug 11, 2017

Jimmy D said:
What's a modern fossil?

A non-ancient fossil

Jimmy D · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
A non-ancient fossil

Are you interested in a discussion or just trolling?

sfs · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
A non-ancient fossil

There are no non-ancient fossils. If it isn't ancient, it isn't a fossil -- that what "fossil" means.

sfs · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
Meh

I believe evolution is an illusion mankind has sought out to explain the origins of life without the dictation of God's will.

Your beliefs are not founded on reality in this case. Evolution doesn't explain the origins of life; it explains the diversity and history of life. Biologists -- including almost all Christian biologists -- accept evolution because it is by far the best explanation for the data we see. That includes fossil data, but also the data from comparative anatomy, biogeography and (above all) genetics. Very little in genetics makes sense apart from evolution.

TagliatelliMonster · Aug 11, 2017

Heissonear said:
If your post is correct, then there would be numerous series of fossils in the strata that shows the morphological transition of one form of creature to another.

Yet there are zero transition fossils - zero evidence showing evolution in morphological steps.

There are plenty.
Take whale evolution, for example.

You can literally line up all the skulls, sorted by age, and you'll literally see the nostrils moving backwards from in front of the face (the most ancient fossils) to the top of the head on modern whales.

In comparative anatomy and paleontology, you can trace single bones in the same way. There are PLENTY of fossils showing a clear morphological change, for example, of how 1 bone in the common ancestor of reptiles and mammals, morphed into a reinforcement of the lower jaw in reptiles, while it became an inner earbone in mammals.

There are countless examples just like that.

Not being aware of them, or simply ignoring them, doesn't make them go away.

The foundation of Evolution is faith

Nope.

ps: ...and faith is bad, right?

Evolutionists do not like hearing or facing their foundation they stand on.

I accept evolution theory and at no point do I require any "faith" to justify that acceptance.

TagliatelliMonster · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
Meh

I believe evolution is an illusion mankind has sought out to explain the origins of life without the dictation of God's will.

Evolution doesn't even adress the origins of life.

It seems your belief is incorrect.

TagliatelliMonster · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
Every fossil ever found couldn't fill a Mack truck- your scientists know this, but they try to make you feel like you could build a city with the bones.

Think about what you just said there....

Go to a single natural history museum that houses real fossils - not casts.

Even within a single such museum, one truck wouldn't be enough to load all the fossils into. Not even by a long shot.

Then there are all the fossils in all other museums.
And in all the universities.

And in all the storage facilities of universities and museums... thousands and thousands of them, waiting to be studied and categorized.

You should at least try to be a bit realistic.

pitabread · Aug 11, 2017

HighCherub said:
I believe evolution is an illusion mankind has sought out to explain the origins of life without the dictation of God's will.

Evolution explains the diversity of life on Earth. Not only that, but it has real-world application in various fields of applied biology (i.e. medicine, agriculture, conservation biology, etc). IOW, it's useful for things.

Ronald · Aug 11, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
So what of the countless people that never heard of Jesus or had a faulty education about him? Are they doomed too?

The gospel been sore as the to every nation, I doubt many haven't heard of Jesus, I'm sure many haven't been taught, many have been deprived, sheltered, and lied to. God will draw as many as He has chosen, no more, no less than He already knows. If you are one of His elect, you will hear His calling and you will respond. That said, to be fair, He calls all men but many resist and reject the offer.

Obliquinaut · Aug 11, 2017

Ronald said:
The gospel been sore as the to every nation, I doubt many haven't heard of Jesus, I'm sure many haven't been taught, many have been deprived, sheltered, and lied to. God will draw as many as He has chosen, no more, no less than He already knows. If you are one of His elect, you will hear His calling and you will respond. That said, to be fair, He calls all men but many resist and reject the offer.

So God chooses and He already knows who is chosen and only the chosen are saved. The way you know you are chosen is if you hear God's call. And God calls all people?

I could use a bit of clarification on this theology. Thanks!

Obliquinaut · Aug 11, 2017

Heissonear said:
If your post is correct, then there would be numerous series of fossils in the strata that shows the morphological transition of one form of creature to another.

Yet there are zero transition fossils - zero evidence showing evolution in morphological steps.

Incorrect.

Morphological Intermediates

The foundation of Evolution is faith. Evolutionists do not like hearing or facing their foundation they stand on.

And simply repeating a false claim does not make it more true.

Obliquinaut · Aug 11, 2017

Jimmy D said:
“United States of Fossiliferousness,” a map of all the places in the country where fossils have been discovered. (It exists in several versions.) Brighter dots or larger circles show places that are richer in fossils, maxing out at 927 occurrences per site.

This Map Shows Everywhere Fossils Were Found in America

Cool! There's a nice little bright spot near my old home/university. It is hard to tell if it is immediately close to my home, but indeed I remember my days in unnergrad where our paleontology class was tasked with going out to the local quarry (as previous classes were) and go get fossils and do a proper paleontological analysis.

Most people just pulled up brachiopods, but I found a cladodont level sharks tooth from the Mesozoic in a piles of shale! It was pretty cool!

Subduction Zone · Aug 11, 2017

Ronald said:
The gospel been sore as the to every nation, I doubt many haven't heard of Jesus, I'm sure many haven't been taught, many have been deprived, sheltered, and lied to. God will draw as many as He has chosen, no more, no less than He already knows. If you are one of His elect, you will hear His calling and you will respond. That said, to be fair, He calls all men but many resist and reject the offer.

Yes, you have been lied to. But you don't want to discuss that. The problem is that over the history of the Earth that the Bible has not been available to too many people. Yes, it was strongly presented in Europe and spread by the sword from there, but what happens to the billions of people that never heard the story?

Ronald · Aug 11, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
You could always try to learn. To deny evolution one has to deny reality.

You are the one who denies reality. Do you know what the word means? Truth. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life ... In Him all things c o n s I s t.

Ronald · Aug 11, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
So God chooses and He already knows who is chosen and only the chosen are saved. The way you know you are chosen is if you hear God's call. And God calls all people?

I could use a bit of clarification on this theology. Thanks!

Yes, I apologize. If you hear and you open your heart to Him. He stands at the door and knocks, whoever opens the door, He'll come in and sup with you. The door of your that is.

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