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no, we just let you think you are letting us do that.Silly Frog. We only let men 'think' that we don't know how to fix cars. That's one of the things we 'let' men believe so they have something to do
well..I think Paul had more of this kind of thing in mind to avoid. It is as if he is saying, just be at home, be productive, don't do what the negative in the verses below, but do the positive as in Titus 2:4.I find it helps to compare as many variants as possible, to determine what the meaning might be. From these it would seem to relate to the dangers of chidbirth, ie; 'bearing children is full of danger, but a woman who has faith, love, holiness and self control will be delivered safely of her child'. In other words, it is not about eternal salvation through childbirth, but safe childbirth through faith in God.
http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/2-15.htm
well..I think Paul had more of this kind of thing in mind to avoid. It is as if he is saying, just be at home, be productive, don't do what the negative in the verses below, but do the positive as in Titus 2:4.
Titus 2:4 and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
1 Tim 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. 14 So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.
2 Tim 3:They are the kind who work their way into people's homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires.
well..I think Paul had more of this kind of thing in mind to avoid. It is as if he is saying, just be at home, be productive, don't do what the negative in the verses below, but do the positive as in Titus 2:4.
Titus 2:4 and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
1 Tim 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. 14 So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.
2 Tim 3:They are the kind who work their way into people's homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires.
1 Tim 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. 14 So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.
Here it's translated as: she will be saved, bearing children. Never understood that text until when I had my second kid and they refused to give me anything for the pain, stupid farmers, I only wanted a third kid if I would get the assurance it would be without pain. Saw a book in Toronto about Supernatural deliverances based on that text also and testimonies of women who just believed and got them painless. I doubted and the writer said if you doubt a bit take meds.Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control. (1 Timothy 2:15)
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This would fall in line with Proverbs 31Actually, in the original Greek we read that wives are to "rule" the household (RSV) "...in domestic matters" (Weymouth's version).
brixken7 said:This is because "the woman ought to have authority OVER her head" (I Corinthians 11:10; CLNT), "her head" being her husband (verse 3).
Ummm...are you suggesting that it can take a woman almost a lifetime to understand how to change a tyre or the oil! Mind you, when it comes to my darling wife there could be some truth to it.
Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control. (1 Timothy 2:15)
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Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control. (1 Timothy 2:15)
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haha i was going to comment but you said it all.. its aint that my wife cant change the oil .. its that she has no interest in changing the oil .. but hey i am hopeless at ironing a shirt and that stupidity serves me well ..hahahaSilly Frog. We only let men 'think' that we don't know how to fix cars. That's one of the things we 'let' men believe so they have something to do
I've given it thought, but I honestly can't reconcile it to my "western" thinking. I would think that a Charismatic Messianic would have way more insight to the cultural context.
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