Need some opinions on the "Unpardonable Sin".

Avid · May 1, 2015

revrobor said:
... I have spent much of my life sharing Jesus.

This is an odd thing you say. These opinions defy the truth of the scriptures.

Matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Let these words of our LORD Jesus Christ be a warning to any who persist in defying the scriptures while teaching others to do so.

revrobor · May 1, 2015

Avid said:
This seals what I was saying. The opinion is not derived from scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Revelation 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It is important not to add or take away from ANY of the books of the scripture.

That verse refers only to Revelation and I am not adding anything to the Bible by sharing what Jesus has told me. It is your loss if you do not allow our Lord to speak to you by voice.

Dan61861 · May 1, 2015

I wonder if you can be forgiven, if you deny Christ and die in your sins.

Personally I don't believe so.

The pharisees were denying Christ.

In Christ
Daniel

Avid · May 1, 2015

Dan61861 said:
I wonder if you can be forgiven, if you deny Christ and die in your sins.

Personally I don't believe so.

The pharisees were denying Christ.

Were they dead???

NO. The pronunciation by Jesus Christ stated that this was the case WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE, and standing right there! They were condemned, and it did not matter if they ever asked for forgiveness. Anyone who dies in their sins will answer for every thought, word and deed. That IS NOT the subject of this discussion. Jesus said right then and there that people who do that would never find forgiveness, "neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Why does it seem so difficult to distinguish between that which goes unforgiven, and that which is unforgivable? Have you read this thread? There is much scriptural evidence for what I tell you. Many passages have been quoted to explain this from the view of scripture. Much of that is from the very words of Jesus Christ.

Avid · May 1, 2015

Avid said:
... It is important not to add or take away from ANY of the books of the scripture.

revrobor said:
That verse refers only to Revelation ...

I guess you did not read the whole post. If you will not read the scriptures, and do not believe the words of Jesus Christ, it is not a great surprise you do not read or understand these words either.

revrobor said:
... and I am not adding anything to the Bible by sharing what Jesus has told me. It is your loss if you do not allow our Lord to speak to you by voice.

I knew all along you did not get your doctrine from the Bible. If what you get is opposed to what Jesus said, as recorded in the scripture, it explains why a scriptural argument is lost on you:

revrobor said:
I have no idea what you are talking about...

It is high time to awake out of sleep. (Rom.13:11)

Avid · May 1, 2015

revrobor said:
... Nowhere does Jesus say that refusing to accept Him as our Savior is not a sin. Have your eyes been blinded?

Where did this line of thinking come from? It does not pertain to the discussion at all. This is where the DODGE comes in!!! This and refusing to base your opinions about what Jesus said on the words of Jesus that He said about the subject...

revrobor · May 1, 2015

Avid said:
This seals what I was saying. The opinion is not derived from scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Revelation 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It is important not to add or take away from ANY of the books of the scripture.

No, they are from the mouth of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Avid · May 1, 2015

revrobor said:
No, they are from the mouth of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And they defy, and oppose the words our LORD Jesus Christ spoken while on this Earth about that same subject???

Avid · May 1, 2015

revrobor said:
Jesus does not limit His speaking to the Bible...

This is why these comments do not belong here. The Baptist Statement of Faith takes exception to your philosophy.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7396057/
Baptist Statement of Faith
The Baptist Community-a forum for all Baptists to discuss and fellowship.

A few things to know about what Baptists believe:

3. The 66 Books comprising the Scriptures are given by the verbal inspiration of God, and as such are the only and all sufficient, authoritative rule of faith. Given their divine origins, the Scriptures are without error as originally given.

Avid · May 1, 2015

revrobor said:
No, they are from the mouth of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So do we await the release of "The Book of Bob" anytime soon?

Bluelion · May 2, 2015

revrobor said:
When Jesus returns and one has refused to accept Him as their savior what do you think will happen to that person? As for Scripture (which is nothing but a dodge by you) a reading of the New Testament will show you what the unforgivable sin and blasphemy is.

Blasphemy is not the only unforgivable sin.

and I think what Avid is referring to is Hebrew 6 which states those who taste the fruit of God and still reject Him can never be saved after that. That is saying those who see God and know He is Good and God and yet reject Him for what He is, they are lost forever as judas did.

Your both right It is blasphemy against The Holy Spirit and it is also rejecting Christ for who He is.

Remember to love

blu

Avid · May 2, 2015

Bluelion said:
... Your both right It is blasphemy against The Holy Spirit and it is also rejecting Christ for who He is...

Do you have scripture for this? We have yet to get anything showing the scriptures back this opinion. Also, did you read the following in one of my posts? It's #90 of this thread.

Avid said:
... Blasphemy is the open, verbal, speaking of words against God. When that is done against the Holy Spirit, that sin is unforgivable, and that is the subject of this thread. John Bunyan thought he had done this when he was young, and tempted by the devil to reject God. He said something in his heart that he was convinced was unforgivable. he had thought this, and may have even whispered this thought while alone. the very thing he said, concerning Christ, was, "Let Him go if He will."

John Bunyan spent a long time in spiritual agony because of this, and because he thought he had done what could not be forgiven - the very thing that we are being told is the unforgivable sin. He later understood better that the sin was not unforgivable, and he went on to become a great man of God. In his 60 years on this Earth, this formerly illiterate man wrote 60 of the best books in the English language.

... but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven, not in this life, nor the life to come, according to Matthew 12:31...

From this, you can see that he did as just abut EVERYONE has done at one time or another. This is not unforgivable. Bunyan went into great detail describing this in his book,

Grace Abounding
to the Chief of Sinners

BY JOHN BUNYAN
London, 1688.

http://www.achristianspirit.com/Grace.html

It is a longer book than some of his I have suggested.

It shows there is grace from God for saving sinners from such things as you have put up here as unforgivable. I'll repeat, yet again, that there is an important distinction between sin that goes unforgiven and sin that Jesus Christ Himself stated was UNFORGIVABLE. The OP was about that particular sin. The person asking the question wanted to know if it is possible for him to have done that accidentally.

In my post, #6 in this thread, you saw how Jesus pronounced this doom upon those who committed this sin. They were not dead at the time. They had not simply "sinned away the day of grace," as some put this thing you mention. They had not "died in their sins" as some people put what you are saying. They were very much alive, still breathing God's air, and standing there, saying that the miracles done by the Holy Ghost were performed by the prince of the devils.

It is amazing how this simple, straight forward pronunciation of doom is twisted and confused so. Just read Matthew 12 and Mark 3, and tell me you really are still confusing the various conditions of LIVING PEOPLE who commit various types of sins!!!

Avid · May 2, 2015

Bluelion said:
Blasphemy is not the only unforgivable sin.

and I think what Avid is referring to is Hebrew 6 which states those who taste the fruit of God and still reject Him can never be saved after that. That is saying those who see God and know He is Good and God and yet reject Him for what He is, they are lost forever as judas did...

To the point, Jesus stated the following, "... All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:" (Matt.12:31) This is in opposition to the opinions expressed that try to make other sins equivalent to "Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost."

Here is a little sermon that is necessary for me to write, since it seems so difficult to distinguish "Dying in your Sins" from "The Unpardonable Sin." To not be forgiven is not equivalent to sinning in a MANNER that is unforgivable.

Jesus stated that "... All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:" (Matt.12:31) So, rejecting Jesus Christ CAN BE FORGIVEN. Everyone who is made into a child of God by His grace knows this firsthand. If there is unforgiven sin in your life, if there is sin you refuse to deal with before the LORD in true humility, seeking His forgivenes, it is unforgiven, and not necessarily UNFORGIVABLE. To confuse the two is to miss just about everything important in scripture. THIS is why I am telling this over and over!!!

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Romans 14
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

We can see that EVERYONE will stand before the LORD in Judgment. The good thing about this for some is that:

Romans 8
1 ¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So the distinction to be understood is that Jesus forgives sin for those who He saves according to the scriptures. (don't abandon the scriptures, for they hold our hope!) I have given a case of a man facing the truth of what I say about 365 years ago. Each of us deals with the same thing in coming to Jesus Christ. We have rejected the only way God had made for our reconciliation to Him. We have chosen our own path, and refused the drawing of God's Holy Spirit upon our heart.

How can I say this so categorically? Well, I hear it all the time, and I experienced it my self. The first drawing of God's Holy Spirit is the conviction of sin, and we think, "The devil is really working on me today..." We do not understand an outside force working upon our hearts, and trying to gain ENTRANCE. We stand our ground at the first hint of this force coming upon us, trying to make us feel bad for the choices we made, and the things we did because we thought they would make us feel good!

It is a common sin, in that EVERYONE has done it. Everyone continues to do it till God breaks down the resistance, and brings the person to the end of himself. If this were unforgivable, we would ALL be hopeless. The really good news for us, though, is that there is hope. if God calls sufficiently loud enough, and long enough, and draws upon our hearts sufficiently strong enough, and does whatever is necessary for us to be sufficiently humbled (humiliated,) we may be brought to submit to Christ. For some this is a great amount of time, and effort. For others, they are more ready and willing.

For us then to say that doing what EVERYONE does is unforgivable is to ignore the words of Jesus, who is our only hope. Jesus stated that "... All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:" (Matt.12:31) You are not submitted though, and you have nothing to offer the LORD that He wants!!! You are destitute, and your sins are overwhelming. As John Bunyan wrote, I could see that, if I were able to stop sinning right now, I would not be alright, for I see a mountain of sin in my past that will sink me to the lowest Hell. That must be paid, and I have nothing the LORD wants in order to pay for it.

Then, I see that, if I were to be pardoned for every wrong thing I ever did, I would not be alright, because I see NEW SIN intermingling itself with the best of my performances. Do something good, like working on the Church building, and pride seeps in to say, "look what I did!" Read your Bible, and learn something vital, and say, "look how I have grown in understanding!" SIN is endless in its ways to drag us down.

ALL of this is in the category we are being told is "rejecting Jesus Christ," and "refusing the drawing of God's Holy Spirit." However, anyone and EVERYONE who has come to Christ for salvation, and have been received by Him, and been regenerated, and had their sins paid for BY THE BLOOD OF THE LORD, has done these things at one time or another, and in one way or another.

It is not UNFORGIVABLE to do these things, but, if these are never unresolved, and we die in our sins, we will face the Judgment Seat of Christ, and be ever condemned in our sin. We will NOT have the Blood of Christ as a covering, and we would not have any benefit He ever offered.

Hell is full of people who rejected God, and SO WILL HEAVEN BE. The people who God saves were saved in spite of all the difficulty God endured, and the patience required of our LORD, and His longsuffereing on our behalf. All the work on our behalf is overwhelming when we get a small glimpse of it. We have no idea what lengths God went through to draw us to Christ. We do not seem to have a sense of the time as a child we resisted the thing God did to restrain us, and we simply blamed our parents for telling us it was not good for us!!!

All manner of sin (not every sin, because not all people will submit) is forgivable according to the LORD of glory. He stated it in Matt.12:31.

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

You are commanded to REPENT and come to Christ. If you stop resisting, you may be drawn to the LORD. It will be the right way, though, and it will be in the manner the LORD prescribed!

Luke 13
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

If you think you will decide to come to Christ, and you think you can choose to accept Christ, you may find you have missed the whole thing altogether! Seek the LORD with all your heart, and you may find that He had come to you, and apprehended you.

Isaiah 55
6 ¶ Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Jeremiah 29
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Joel 2
12 ¶ Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

Do not be slothful. Awake thou that sleepest!

revrobor · May 2, 2015

Bluelion: It is pointless to discuss this with Avid since he seems to want to seal the Lord's mouth after the Bible was printed and then reverts to personal insults. My beliefs are basically Baptist and come from the Bible except those Jesus gave me personally. I'm certainly done discussing the subject with him.

Avid · May 2, 2015

revrobor said:
... he seems to want to seal the Lord's mouth after the Bible was printed ...

The statement in his post, quoted here, is against the third point of what is written in the Baptist Statement of Faith on the page referenced in an earlier post of mine.

When the word of God is ignored, and private "revelation," that is contrary to it, is revered, we have heresy. The rules do not allow for heresy to be preached in this manner on this Baptist forum. This ois a place for Baptist who are in line with the word of God to discuss things, and learn from each other. Heresy is not compatible with that. Where no scripture backs an opinion, we should be very careful how we disseminate that opinion to avoid being guilty of heresy.

When the words of Jesus Christ are denied in the manner we see in this and previous posts by this member, we see that it is not a difference of opinion. It is something that is intended to replace the scriptures, and the very words of Christ as penned by those who knew Him, and walked with Him, or those who got that info from those who did, and were inspired to pen those words for our edification. It is these writings we revere, and not the rebellious words of those who reject the very words of Christ on this particular subject (do not know what other subjects in particular...)

There is no scripture to support the words we read about a variety of different sins being equivalent to Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Those words that are from the opinions of man, and are intended to replace the written word of God, are not edifying, and are dangerous for anyone to believe. These words deny all we read in scripture, including most of the revealed word of God as spoken by Jesus Christ Himself. That is because of the "blanket" nature of how any sin that is not forgiven at our death is supposedly equivalent to a sin that condemns us at the moment of committing it, regardless of when we die.

All sin that is not forgiven when we die is sin we must face God with. It is these things that will be dealt with in the most minute detail before the Judgment Seat of Christ. It is clear that much of this event is described in Revelation, Chapter 20, in the description of the Great White Throne. Heresy will be dealt with then as well. If we do not find forgiveness for heresy (whatever we teach that qualifies as that before the LORD,) we will be judged for that at that time. If it was unforgiven, had not been repented while we lived, and was not covered by the blood of our LORD Jesus Christ, we will face the penalty of it then and there.

hedrick · May 2, 2015

I’ve been asked to watch this forum, as an Ambassador. As an outsider looking at this thread, I find the disagreement between Avid and Revrobar a bit weird. Avid quotes Slick’s exegesis, which points out that in context blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was denying that the Holy Spirit was working in Jesus. For this reason, he concludes, Christians can’t commit it.

Revrobar says that unbelief is the only unforgiveable sin. On his side we have the many statements that Christ will save all that believe in him, e.g. John 3:16, and Paul's teaching the justification is by faith.

But it seems to me that saying that the Holy Spirit is not acting in Christ is pretty much the same thing as refusing to believe in Christ. After all, the Pharisees that this passage was about were opponents of Jesus. They said that Satan rather than the Holy Spirit was working in him because they didn't believe in him.

Avid · May 2, 2015

hedrick said:
... But it seems to me that saying that the Holy Spirit is not acting in Christ is pretty much the same thing as refusing to believe in Christ...

Thanks for joining in. Your input is welcome.

Do you get from the passage in Matt.12 that these pharisees were not going to find forgiveness in this world, nor would they find it in the world to come? Had they asked for forgiveness, would Jesus change His mind?

Hebrews 12
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Was that different than the Apostle Paul, who rejected Jesus Christ??? Was it different than the Apostle Peter who denied he even knew Jesus???

Is there a difference in ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY and BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY GHOST? Are these on an equal footing, because transgression of the law in one point is to be guilty of all the law?

Bluelion · May 2, 2015

Avid said:
Do you have scripture for this? We have yet to get anything showing the scriptures back this opinion. Also, did you read the following in one of my posts? It's #90 of this thread.

From this, you can see that he did as just abut EVERYONE has done at one time or another. This is not unforgivable. Bunyan went into great detail describing this in his book,

Grace Abounding
to the Chief of Sinners

BY JOHN BUNYAN
London, 1688.

Grace Abounding - aChristianSpirit

It is a longer book than some of his I have suggested.

It shows there is grace from God for saving sinners from such things as you have put up here as unforgivable. I'll repeat, yet again, that there is an important distinction between sin that goes unforgiven and sin that Jesus Christ Himself stated was UNFORGIVABLE. The OP was about that particular sin. The person asking the question wanted to know if it is possible for him to have done that accidentally.

In my post, #6 in this thread, you saw how Jesus pronounced this doom upon those who committed this sin. They were not dead at the time. They had not simply "sinned away the day of grace," as some put this thing you mention. They had not "died in their sins" as some people put what you are saying. They were very much alive, still breathing God's air, and standing there, saying that the miracles done by the Holy Ghost were performed by the prince of the devils.

It is amazing how this simple, straight forward pronunciation of doom is twisted and confused so. Just read Matthew 12 and Mark 3, and tell me you really are still confusing the various conditions of LIVING PEOPLE who commit various types of sins!!!

Thank you Brother for clearing this up for me. I think I understand now.

I too go through this same hell. I once had a break down which last 7 years during that time i fully believed i was God. It was something I deceived my self with because i was see hell all the time, horrible things. I reasoned if I was God I had nothing to fear. So i talk my self into believing it. Towards the end I may have even said i was The Holy Ghost. Now am I damned to hell? First it says speak against The Holy Spirit such as calling the Holy Spirit evil. After doctors told me to start seeing priest about matter going on with me, I started working with a church in deliverance ministry. We found I had many demons tormenting me. So was it me or them?

Take this into account God says in John "it is the will of my Father that I not lose one of all He has given me" God does not lose His children. I was saved at 6 years old. Has God lost one of His children? No. Jesus brought me back to sanity like king Nebuchadnezzar. Jesus has come to me many of time to protect me against very real demons which my wife and dog even saw. Why do that if I am lost? I am not lost.

So my whole point in this is you can not accidentally commit and unforgivable sin. Take Hebrews 6 which i will post for you. It states you must know full well what you are doing. If it were not so we would all be in a lot of trouble. The serpent got man to turn from God once, he could do it again. So no you can not accidentally commit an unforgivable sin. Same with rejecting Christ you must know full well what you are doing as judas did.

Some scripture.

Hebrews 6:6 NLT

4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come— 6 and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.

Now the passage about Jesus not losing his children.

John6:35 NLT

35 Jesus replied, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But you haven’t believed in me even though you have seen me. 37 However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. 38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. 39 And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. 40 For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”

I hope this helps, thank you for asking for scripture. I love when people ask me for the word instead of saying that is against God's word without even checking. Also thank you I learned a lot while writing this all out to you, very fruitful conversation.

Peace be with you

blu

Bluelion · May 2, 2015

Avid said:
To the point, Jesus stated the following, "... All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:" (Matt.12:31) This is in opposition to the opinions expressed that try to make other sins equivalent to "Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost."

Here is a little sermon that is necessary for me to write, since it seems so difficult to distinguish "Dying in your Sins" from "The Unpardonable Sin." To not be forgiven is not equivalent to sinning in a MANNER that is unforgivable.

Jesus stated that "... All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:" (Matt.12:31) So, rejecting Jesus Christ CAN BE FORGIVEN. Everyone who is made into a child of God by His grace knows this firsthand. If there is unforgiven sin in your life, if there is sin you refuse to deal with before the LORD in true humility, seeking His forgivenes, it is unforgiven, and not necessarily UNFORGIVABLE. To confuse the two is to miss just about everything important in scripture. THIS is why I am telling this over and over!!!

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Romans 14
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

We can see that EVERYONE will stand before the LORD in Judgment. The good thing about this for some is that:

Romans 8
1 ¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So the distinction to be understood is that Jesus forgives sin for those who He saves according to the scriptures. (don't abandon the scriptures, for they hold our hope!) I have given a case of a man facing the truth of what I say about 365 years ago. Each of us deals with the same thing in coming to Jesus Christ. We have rejected the only way God had made for our reconciliation to Him. We have chosen our own path, and refused the drawing of God's Holy Spirit upon our heart.

How can I say this so categorically? Well, I hear it all the time, and I experienced it my self. The first drawing of God's Holy Spirit is the conviction of sin, and we think, "The devil is really working on me today..." We do not understand an outside force working upon our hearts, and trying to gain ENTRANCE. We stand our ground at the first hint of this force coming upon us, trying to make us feel bad for the choices we made, and the things we did because we thought they would make us feel good!

It is a common sin, in that EVERYONE has done it. Everyone continues to do it till God breaks down the resistance, and brings the person to the end of himself. If this were unforgivable, we would ALL be hopeless. The really good news for us, though, is that there is hope. if God calls sufficiently loud enough, and long enough, and draws upon our hearts sufficiently strong enough, and does whatever is necessary for us to be sufficiently humbled (humiliated,) we may be brought to submit to Christ. For some this is a great amount of time, and effort. For others, they are more ready and willing.

For us then to say that doing what EVERYONE does is unforgivable is to ignore the words of Jesus, who is our only hope. Jesus stated that "... All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:" (Matt.12:31) You are not submitted though, and you have nothing to offer the LORD that He wants!!! You are destitute, and your sins are overwhelming. As John Bunyan wrote, I could see that, if I were able to stop sinning right now, I would not be alright, for I see a mountain of sin in my past that will sink me to the lowest Hell. That must be paid, and I have nothing the LORD wants in order to pay for it.

Then, I see that, if I were to be pardoned for every wrong thing I ever did, I would not be alright, because I see NEW SIN intermingling itself with the best of my performances. Do something good, like working on the Church building, and pride seeps in to say, "look what I did!" Read your Bible, and learn something vital, and say, "look how I have grown in understanding!" SIN is endless in its ways to drag us down.

ALL of this is in the category we are being told is "rejecting Jesus Christ," and "refusing the drawing of God's Holy Spirit." However, anyone and EVERYONE who has come to Christ for salvation, and have been received by Him, and been regenerated, and had their sins paid for BY THE BLOOD OF THE LORD, has done these things at one time or another, and in one way or another.

It is not UNFORGIVABLE to do these things, but, if these are never unresolved, and we die in our sins, we will face the Judgment Seat of Christ, and be ever condemned in our sin. We will NOT have the Blood of Christ as a covering, and we would not have any benefit He ever offered.

Hell is full of people who rejected God, and SO WILL HEAVEN BE. The people who God saves were saved in spite of all the difficulty God endured, and the patience required of our LORD, and His longsuffereing on our behalf. All the work on our behalf is overwhelming when we get a small glimpse of it. We have no idea what lengths God went through to draw us to Christ. We do not seem to have a sense of the time as a child we resisted the thing God did to restrain us, and we simply blamed our parents for telling us it was not good for us!!!

All manner of sin (not every sin, because not all people will submit) is forgivable according to the LORD of glory. He stated it in Matt.12:31.

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

You are commanded to REPENT and come to Christ. If you stop resisting, you may be drawn to the LORD. It will be the right way, though, and it will be in the manner the LORD prescribed!

Luke 13
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

If you think you will decide to come to Christ, and you think you can choose to accept Christ, you may find you have missed the whole thing altogether! Seek the LORD with all your heart, and you may find that He had come to you, and apprehended you.

Isaiah 55
6 ¶ Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Jeremiah 29
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Joel 2
12 ¶ Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

Do not be slothful. Awake thou that sleepest!

see above post Brother, I answer this but will explain a little more. thank you for calling me to awake I wake up a bit more each day by the Grace of God.

I did not understand the whole thing at first but I think I got it now.

Again you are both right. You can not be held accountable for rejecting God with out knowing him, and you can not slip up in your heart and say leave God and then you are lost.

But those who are lost for rejecting God are those who know what they are doing. They know God for God, they understand what they are rejecting and they willingly do such a things as judas did.

Does that help? They understand Heaven, and also they are not saved big thing here, but they have gained enough insight to know God is God and Good and is heaven. Now if they were saved John 6 would conflict, because God would have lost one of His children, but we know the Bible never conflicts. I'll post John 6 NLT again.

35 Jesus replied, I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But you havent believed in me even though you have seen me. 37 However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. 38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. 39 And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. 40 For it is my Fathers will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.

So they are not saved but testing the waters and they understand what the waters are yet they still reject God on the account of being Good. They see what it is but they don't want it in other words. They know they are rejecting God and heaven, they know what they are doing. God's children can not do this. They already accepted God and there is no turning back. Now Peter and judas.

Peter also rejected God 3 times, but Peter also said he loved God 3 times. Just want to add that in there. Ok so why was peter saved still and judas was not when he rejected Christ. Because Peter ate the fruit of Jesus, he accepted Jesus already before he rejected Him. So he could never be lost. His free will in that matter was Gone. judas never ate the fruit, he tasted it, He new Jesus was God and yet rejected him any way and Heaven. He knew what he was doing, so he could never be saved after that and he never was saved.

Does that help? Do you see this?

Bluelion · May 2, 2015

revrobor said:
Bluelion: It is pointless to discuss this with Avid since he seems to want to seal the Lord's mouth after the Bible was printed and then reverts to personal insults. My beliefs are basically Baptist and come from the Bible except those Jesus gave me personally. I'm certainly done discussing the subject with him.

Did you not just insult him? Did you not do the same thing?

I have not read any insults not saying they are not there but from either of you before the above quoted.

We are the Family Of God, we don't give up on our Brothers or Sisters. If you need take some time out and come back do it. Avid has done nothing wrong, not saying you have either. He is just frustrated, as you are too.

We should never be angry, anger does not produce service to the Lord. I have trouble with this my self. Please remember to love each other. I suggest you both try to understand each other, because that is what produces conflict, lack of understanding.

You both are right. God said if your brother has something against you seek forgiveness from him first before coming to the Lord for worship. Forgive unconditionally. We need to all help each other as this is a very hard thing to do. If you forgive this way, you will be forgiven this way. The Lords prayer, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Peace be with you both

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