need some help regarding old testiment law

smellycat · Sep 14, 2009

6Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

7And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. 8But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

a lot is to be said about pigs.jesus cast evil spirits into them,and they would not have them live in them.as in all times there is always a reason for what God said.maybe it was a temporary law to keep humans safe from dying of uncooked pork.jesus fullfilled the law,only if you are jewish without jesus would you follow the law.commandments yes,law no.

ThomasDa · Sep 14, 2009

MamaZ said:
They were unclean unto the Jews. So God could show His glory and grace through Christ.

Where did you come up with that? You just get a wild hair and make things up as you go along?

Cribstyl · Sep 14, 2009

visionary said:
Show me where God declares which flesh shall be classified as food.

Gen 9:3Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

1Ti 4:1¶Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

1Ti 4:6¶If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

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MamaZ · Sep 14, 2009

ThomasDa said:
Where did you come up with that? You just get a wild hair and make things up as you go along?

Naw we see that the covenant between Isreal and God is not the same covenant between the Body of Christ. For there are two covenants. The bond woman and the free woman in which our mother is the free woman and not the bond woman enslaved by the law. It is all in Galatians.

visionary · Sep 14, 2009

Ishmael's family tree and Isaac's family tree... [bond's servant and free woman] both still abide by the dietary guidance the Lord has given... why don't you.?

Cribstyl · Sep 14, 2009

visionary said:
Ishmael's family tree and Isaac's family tree... [bond's servant and free woman] both still abide by the dietary guidance the Lord has given... why don't you.?

Speaking about family tree, when did Gentile nations become the Children of Israel?

ThomasDa · Sep 14, 2009

MamaZ said:
Naw we see that the covenant between Isreal and God is not the same covenant between the Body of Christ. For there are two covenants. The bond woman and the free woman in which our mother is the free woman and not the bond woman enslaved by the law. It is all in Galatians.

The difference in the two covenants has nothing to do with the Law of God.

The New Covenant is built on better promises [i.e. eternal life] not different laws.

The Old Covenant was built on physical promises, physical
blessings.

The New Covenant is made with people by writing God's Law in their hearts and minds, not by doing away with God's Laws.

The only fault found with the OC was not with God or with His Law. The fault was with the people not obeying God's law.

visionary · Sep 14, 2009

Cribstyl said:
Gen 9:3Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

1Ti 4:1¶Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

1Ti 4:6¶If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

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Again... where do you have God telling you which creatures are to be considered food? What you have quoted is where the traditions of the Jews on defining market [God declared clean food] unlclean because of idol offering, unkosher practices... and that is what those texts are dealing with... just as it was when Yeshua was walking the earth... separating the traditions of men from the will of God.

Frogster · Sep 14, 2009

ThomasDa said:
Where did you come up with that? You just get a wild hair and make things up as you go along?

Gentiles were comsidered unclean,read Acrs 10:28,Peter said so.

visionary · Sep 14, 2009

Cribstyl said:
Speaking about family tree, when did Gentile nations become the Children of Israel?

When did they join the commonwealth of Israel..

ANSWER IS

When they accepted THe Holy One of Israel as their own Messiah, when they recognised the King of the Jews is the King of the Universe

Frogster · Sep 14, 2009

visionary said:
Again... where do you have God telling you which creatures are to be considered food? What you have quoted is where the traditions of the Jews on defining market [God declared clean food] unlclean because of idol offering, unkosher practices... and that is what those texts are dealing with... just as it was when Yeshua was walking the earth... separating the traditions of men from the will of God.

God gave a list of clean and unclean in Deuteronomy.It was the law of Moses.

visionary · Sep 14, 2009

Frogster said:
God gave a list of clean and unclean in Deuteronomy.It was the law of Moses.

Yes... God did give the list of the clean and unclean for Moses to write down on Mount Sinai... but He also called the animals into Noah's Ark by their clean and unclean status.

Frogster · Sep 14, 2009

ThomasDa said:
We are not talking about FOOD here. Biblically speaking "unclean food" is an oxymoron.

Something can't be both unclean and be food.

God never tells us to abstain from FOOD except when fasting.

We are talking about animals God said are unclean and not to be eaten or sacrificed to Him.

These animals are not FOOD.

The animals God said are clean, God gave us for FOOD.

This is not difficult. It's really very simple, simple to understand and simple to obey.

Most people give a stop sign more respect than they do God. Crazy ain't it?

It doesn't matter,jesus declared them clean anyways.Paul comfirmed it.We as Chrisitians are not supposed to practise asceticism.

Frogster · Sep 14, 2009

visionary said:
Yes... God did give the list of the clean and unclean for Moses to write down on Mount Sinai... but He also called the animals into Noah's Ark by their clean and unclean status.

He said all is food.Paul said eat EVERYTHINMG at the Corinth meat market.All meats.

Gen 6:20-21
Two of every kind of bird,of every kind of animaland of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."

Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

ThomasDa · Sep 14, 2009

Frogster said:
God gave a list of clean and unclean in Deuteronomy.It was the law of Moses.

Moses didn't make this stuff up.
Lev. 11:1 says God gives us these things.

Frogster · Sep 14, 2009

No,It clearly says eat,the meat.

1 Cor 10:25 NASB
Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience sake;

Greek for eat..

esthio 2068...1) to eat
2) to eat (consume) a thing
2a) to take food, eat a meal
3) metaph. to devour, consume

Greek for meat..makellon 3111...1) a place where meat and other articles of food are sold, meat market

Frogster · Sep 14, 2009

ThomasDa said:
Moses didn't make this stuff up.
Lev. 11:1 says God gives us these things.

Do you offer up animal sacrifices?That is in the OT also.

Cribstyl · Sep 14, 2009

ThomasDa said:
The difference in the two covenants has nothing to do with the Law of God.

The New Covenant is built on better promises [i.e. eternal life] not different laws.

The Old Covenant was built on physical promises, physical
blessings.

The New Covenant is made with people by writing God's Law in their hearts and minds, not by doing away with God's Laws.

The only fault found with the OC was not with God or with His Law. The fault was with the people not obeying God's law.

God's law has always been the words that comes out of His mouth to a generation of people. God is a living God. The convenant with Gentiles was not made with Moses

Those who want to tell us what God's law is, tend to change His words to suit their beliefs. They want us to forget the Son who died for our sin and remember law that was to serve until He fulfilled it.
They want to change the content of His law to Moses from 600+ commandments to 10commandments. They want to tell us that "the law" ever exists in heaven. That would contradict God's word about when and why the law came.

God's word proves that Adam was given a commandment but not a law.
God's word proves that God's promises to Abraham why He chose a people and later gave them the law to keep them in line to recieve the promise.
God's word teaches us plainly "we're not under the law".
God's law written on the hearts of Christian are commandment to love God through faith in Jesus Christ and to Love our fellowman.

Contrary to popular spins and beliefs... The law given to Moses was a covenant with the people it was given to not the world as the scriptures prove. Also the commandments of Christ are not moral commandments for the world, they're also given as a covenant with those who accepted His blood. These believers are the Children of God.

Trust the word of God.
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Frogster · Sep 14, 2009

visionary said:
Ishmael's family tree and Isaac's family tree... [bond's servant and free woman] both still abide by the dietary guidance the Lord has given... why don't you.?

We are in the new Testament now.

Zeena · Sep 14, 2009

Frogster said:
Could you please show shom NT verses that prove we are to obstain from foods.

squint said:

FOOD is not just what we set before our eyes as a piece of flesh....

Gods Word is BREAD for the MIND and HEART...all of it.

When you EAT IT it will be FOR YOU as Gods child and AGAINST all working of INIQUITY...That's where the sWord DIVIDES us.

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I guess not...

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