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Need Help with Corinthians Verse

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Whilst i was surfing the net i found this passage in 1 Corinthians 11:14
"Isn`t it obvious that it`s disgraceful for a man to have long hair"

Now i just don`t understand this, how can it be a disgrace for a man to have long hair? Man wasn`t born with a shaver it was man made.
And didn`t Jesus have long hair? By saying it`s disgraceful for men to have long hair, Paul is saying that Jesus is a disgrace.Or does this mean Jesus didn`t have long hair?
I just don`t understand, can someone please clarify.

Thank you and Bless you
 

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Whilst i was surfing the net i found this passage in 1 Corinthians 11:14
"Isn`t it obvious that it`s disgraceful for a man to have long hair"

Now i just don`t understand this, how can it be a disgrace for a man to have long hair? Man wasn`t born with a shaver it was man made.
And didn`t Jesus have long hair? By saying it`s disgraceful for men to have long hair, Paul is saying that Jesus is a disgrace.Or does this mean Jesus didn`t have long hair?
I just don`t understand, can someone please clarify.

Who says Jesus had long hair?
 
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Whilst i was surfing the net i found this passage in 1 Corinthians 11:14
"Isn`t it obvious that it`s disgraceful for a man to have long hair"

Now i just don`t understand this, how can it be a disgrace for a man to have long hair? Man wasn`t born with a shaver it was man made.
And didn`t Jesus have long hair? By saying it`s disgraceful for men to have long hair, Paul is saying that Jesus is a disgrace.Or does this mean Jesus didn`t have long hair?
I just don`t understand, can someone please clarify.

Thank you and Bless you

Yeah this is one of those preference verses.

in the Old Testament Long hair was preferred

and the letter says something like this .. with the explanation "reason yourself" and "if you want to be contentious the church has no other custom" .. so it sounds like one of those "of the time" embassy things.

in that the church was an embassy of heaven to the world around it.

today that wouldn't apply

as much as the dietary laws wouldn't apply either.

it's obviously a surface level appearance based command .. if it were to be universally followed .. it would contradict a lot of what Jesus said .


you can take from the example however, and pay attention to what people like .. and do that for them out of love .

some people can't get past appearances .. so they might loosen their heart and listen to you .. if you looked the part .
 
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Whilst i was surfing the net i found this passage in 1 Corinthians 11:14
"Isn`t it obvious that it`s disgraceful for a man to have long hair"

Now i just don`t understand this, how can it be a disgrace for a man to have long hair? Man wasn`t born with a shaver it was man made.
And didn`t Jesus have long hair? By saying it`s disgraceful for men to have long hair, Paul is saying that Jesus is a disgrace.Or does this mean Jesus didn`t have long hair?
I just don`t understand, can someone please clarify.

Thank you and Bless you



It was a cultural thing at the time.

Ancient Egyptian men commonly shaved their faces and their heads, not usually allowing it to grow except in times of mourning.(Genesis 41:14). The women of Egypt wore their hair long and plaited.

Assyrian and Babylonian men on the other hand usually allowed their hair and beards to grow long. The women usually had long hair. The same was true for the Persians.

With the Greeks and the Romans, men's hair length varied over time, long and short - while once again, women generally had long hair.

Samson and Absalom both had long hair.

During the time of Jesus Christ and the early church era, men usually had short hair, while women had long hair, while John The Baptist, who was a Nazirite from birth (Luke 1:15), probably had long hair, as was proper for Nazirites.

So Paul is simply referring to the culture and traditions of the day. The length of a man's hair isn't significant to most people today.
 
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Whilst i was surfing the net i found this passage in 1 Corinthians 11:14
"Isn`t it obvious that it`s disgraceful for a man to have long hair"

Now i just don`t understand this, how can it be a disgrace for a man to have long hair? Man wasn`t born with a shaver it was man made.
And didn`t Jesus have long hair? By saying it`s disgraceful for men to have long hair, Paul is saying that Jesus is a disgrace.Or does this mean Jesus didn`t have long hair?
I just don`t understand, can someone please clarify.

Thank you and Bless you

this is a cultural statement. Paul is writing to the Corinthian church made up of Greeks not Jews. Jesus was a Jew and never set foot in Greece. The bible does not talk about the length of Jesus' hair but regardless if it was long or not Paul is not instructing a church made up of Jews within Judea so what was culturally acceptable for a Jew can be removed from this verse because they are outside of its context. Paul of all people understood the power of culture as only a few chapters back in 1 Corinthians 9 Paul tells us "to be all things to all people". Paul, like Jesus, was a contextualist presenting the gospel in the way the Corinthian church could understand and encouraging them to be the best Corinthians they can be using the idiosyncrasys of their culture to live and breath the church.
 
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Whilst i was surfing the net i found this passage in 1 Corinthians 11:14
"Isn`t it obvious that it`s disgraceful for a man to have long hair"

Now i just don`t understand this, how can it be a disgrace for a man to have long hair? Man wasn`t born with a shaver it was man made.
And didn`t Jesus have long hair? By saying it`s disgraceful for men to have long hair, Paul is saying that Jesus is a disgrace.Or does this mean Jesus didn`t have long hair?
I just don`t understand, can someone please clarify.

Thank you and Bless you

An asterisk (*) Notes my comments within verses.

First, a reference to a parallel verse.

Gal 3:28

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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*(Using numbers to illustrate the above verse: 6+1=7, the 6 and 1 become spiritually invisible in the 7, the spirit works like numbers do.)


This is not your usual interpretation or one that sits well with the world these days but it's reality so please read this carefully and take the time to examine this explanation of this phenomenon. These verses are spoken in a metaphoric manner so the natural references have spiritual significance. I define this phenomenon if you care to take a challenge in science and Scripture.

My chart on Divine Polarity. http://www.christianforums.com/attachments/127487d1343343927-divine-polarity.jpg
My thread. http://www.christianforums.com/t7675211/

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1 Cor 11:1-21

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. *(Paul is setting an example.)

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
*(Paul specifically mentions "Ordinances" for a reason, this sets the context of this lesson. These ordinances are those that were established in "Creation" as Paul makes reference to "Nature" in verse 14.)

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. *(Reference to Genesis 3:16, the man rules over the woman. This is God's Authoritative Creation Order that does not change as He is the same for all times.)

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. *(Any male/man who is not following the ordinances is covered by another source that is a counterfeit Glory and Grace, a false Christ. God's Grace is the true "Covering". If a man allow a woman to usurp authority over him, he is then covered by the woman, this is when the male/man becomes like a spiritual woman, resulting a spiritual amalgamation of man and woman, the woman dishonors the man, he is trodden; the man's head is supposed to be Christ and it's Christ who is dishonored and trodden.)

5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. *(A woman uncovered is when she is divorced from the Covenant of that Ordinance that was established in Creation, she is without Grace and appears naked or uncovered before God. This verse is further defined in Gal 3:28, and further defined by Genesis Code as 7-1=6 when disobedient, she is "shaven" from the 7 and becomes 1 as Paul notes "one", she then appears as 6, which is the Image of a man. Obedience is 6+1=7. The man is 6, woman is 1, and 7 is Christ-Glory and Grace, the pair are equated when obedient. Obedience to the Ordinances equates the man and woman in Christ Who is Glory and Grace "7", "Seventh Heaven" is Obedience to God. 1 Tim chapter 2 is another parallel chapter of this phenomenon concerning the behavior of women in the church and home. [ 1 Cor 14:32-40])

1 Cor 14:32-40
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
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6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. *(Let the woman "Repent" of her shame that is apart from the Covenant of Ordinances that was finalized on Day 7 of Creation and be submissive to the "Rank" of this Ordinance, let the man "Rule" over the woman. Let the 1 join together with the 6 and equate in the Covenant of 7.)

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. *(Paul points to this equation of equality in Christ, when the 6 and 1 are no longer seen apart from the agreement of the commandments, they are seen as 7, and they are no longer seen as male and female when united in Christ's Glory 7. Man was made in the Image and Likeness of God, and when he is disobedient he then becomes like a beast of the field, a contemptible man. [verse 16])

8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. *(Woman was taken from the man, not man from the woman, there's an "Order" here.)

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. *(Ditto, each have a specific role in Life, which is Christ 7. The woman must always be 1 and the man be 6 equated in 7. Any change in obedience does change your spiritual gender, the woman becomes a 6 as she is joined together with satan's spirit, which is 5, 5+1=6.)

10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. *(The woman has power of Glory only in obedience, the man is her spiritual covering as Christ is the covering of man. There is a distinct difference between genders and we must know how our natural behavior effects our spiritual manifestation. The man appears as a woman apart from God and the woman appears as a man apart from God. The obedient man is an "Angel" as Adam was to Eve.)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. *(Both man and woman must be obedient to this order in order to be joint heirs in Christ, as He is Glory and Grace 7. The 6 and 1 need one another in order to equate to 7, do the math and keep it simple.)

12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. *(The obedient pair establish the Covenant with God. This is God's way, even if it strikes us oddly.)

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? *(Judge in ourselves by doing the math and see if we equate to the Covenant.)

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? *(This is parallel to Romans chapter 1, these should be considered together in order to comprehend what Paul is saying about nature and the law of God. My representation of the Law of Magnetism depicts this Law as common for all of nature, even humankind. The hair is a symbol of covering.)

15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. *(Symbolizing hair as her Glory and Grace when in obedience. The man is given to woman as her covering, apart from man she is naked and seen as 1 apart from 7, the 5 (satan) then overpowers the 1 and they join together and become 6, like a man.)

16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. *(A contentious man is a "Beast of the field" as in Genesis. A contemptible man does not obey God's commandments therefore, the lower natured man must also be ruled by the Man of God who is also an angel to the woman. This form of "order" is of satan and is not a custom of God's people.)

17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. *(Equity in disobedience is of satan's order, his order is of the flesh and any emphasis on flesh apart from the Covenant is usually for the better as the sinner lusts after worldly things of silver, gold and life everlasting apart from God. We are humbled and poor in this world when obedient to God, and we should be like a rock skipping over water as we pass through this world, not allowing ourselves to sink in this flood of Babylonian/Egyptian wealth.)

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. *(Paul gets wind of some contentious people therein the church, even.)

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. *(Disobedience becomes manifest in people, disobedience to this ordinance causes the soul of the person to become like that of their fallen character and is then manifest as mixed gender. This is obvious today in many churches and in secular society. False doctrines causes a change in "DNA" and the person becomes another person of the other gender, spiritually. This is how satan masquerades as a man in a woman, and a woman in a man. ref [verse 12])

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. *(We cannot eat of the Lord's Supper when disobedient to His ordinance of genders, this means that we, the world are cut-off from His Glory and Grace and cannot eat of the "Tree of Life", which is paralled as the "Lord's Supper" in this passage. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden in this same manner and were stricken from partaking in Eternal Life.)

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. *(One evil-doer follows another, the blind lead the blind as an idol to another and the other person becomes a god in that persons heart and is then spiritually drunken. We have this all over the world today. Intoxicated with false doctrines and a false Christ by idolatry. The world is exalted to the Godhead status of (12) when apart from this Covenant. One may also become a god within themself as they focus on their own flesh and not the spirit of God that should be in them. This is the "Unpardonable Sin". This is when the man and woman have divorced God and joined with satan apart from the Covenant of Christ and His Sabbath Covenant of 7, where the 6 and 1 "Rest" in 7. The man and woman are not seen apart when in the Covenant of 7.

The mathematical equation to illustrate the disobedient pair is such: 7-1=6+1+5=12), this is a counterfeit equation to the Godhead who is the Father and the Son in Fullness and represented as 7+5=12. The Father is also a 5 as He Created the Light Bringer on Day 5 of Creation, this was so that God could come as low as hell to save us from the serpent. God is Humbled as when He suffered crucifixion and lay in hell for three days before being Resurrected unto Eternal Life so that He may have that which we require for Equality also in the Father. No man comes unto the Father except by the Son. We can only be joint heirs if we equate to 7. What is your present score?

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God designed everything by using a "Divine Proportion" for Creation and this is critical to adhere to just as the birds and the bees, the trees and the sea are obedient to God's Law of Nature that is seen in "Magnetism" and a few simple bar magnets as a tangible illustration. This is why I present the Law of Nature with Magnets. Romans chapter 1 is the emphasis on this law that governs the role of men and women, even today!
 
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I wonder if by long hair, Paul means what we would consider very long hair, such as some women grow down to their waste. Which, on a man would seem unusually kind of vain - wanting to attract physical attention by their appearance. The Peacock Revolution gone mad!
 
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Long hair being mentioned is probably relative, and I agree there is culture as a context. Some hair might be considered long by some, but in a particular culture a certain length might not be, but there would be a longer length that would be, as might be what male temple prostitutes or another group of men that would be inappropriate to biblical values have.
 
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Are you sure?

All the pictures of Jesus we have were made long after he lived on earth. And I'm sure you know that they didn't have movie cameras in the 1st century.

I wonder if by long hair, Paul means what we would consider very long hair

I presume Paul isn't talking about some absolute length distinction (how long is "long," after all?), but about a male / female distinction.
 
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