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[perfectlyok2]

I am wondering, perfectlyok2, if you are charismatic? The reason I ask is that I don't see where you have posted in the first thread on this board.

No I am not charasmatic, only a seeker of truth. I never did post on the first thread, I guess I overlooked it.

 

[perfectlyok2]

By your post it appears that if a women speaks in a church, under the instruction of the Holy Spirit, you assume that she's over lording it over a man.

She's to be in subjection to her husband, as the positions ordained by God in a family, not men in general who are partners and co workers in the faith. We all have received the same Holy Spirit. But one gets to minister, healings, prophacy, and other callings of the Holy Spirit, because he's a man? While women have received the same gifts of God. But have to sit there and not use them? To me that is far beyond reasonable. Sounds like to me God would only have 50% effective church. Or are you saying that these particular gifts are not bestowed on women either?

In our church we have about 3 women that can give a message in tongues, and 3 men that can interpret..all done in proper order. And no one gives it a thought about the women speaking, especially when the men are the interpreters. Seems to be a real nice balance. Then sometimes the men will give the message in tongues and a women will interpret. It's the choice of the Holy Spirit.

I am not claiming anything, I am only stating what I read plainly. 1 Cor. 14:34 tells me that women are "not premitted to speak" and that would include any form of public speaking in the congregation. Our Lord says it is "shameful for women to speak in church" what does that tell you? You have to agree that "shameful" is a harsh word, so this tells me God is very serious about this. To me, all signs point to women should not publically speak in the congregation wether it be presesting a lesson or the use of "tounges" or whatever the case may be. Better safe than sorry would you not agree?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I am not claiming anything, I am only stating what I read plainly. 1 Cor. 14:34 tells me that women are "not premitted to speak" and that would include any form of public speaking in the congregation. Our Lord says it is "shameful for women to speak in church" what does that tell you? You have to agree that "shameful" is a harsh word, so this tells me God is very serious about this. To me, all signs point to women should not publically speak in the congregation wether it be presesting a lesson or the use of "tounges" or whatever the case may be. Better safe than sorry would you not agree?

What would be most sorry is for God to give a gift and then I say, "sorry God, but the men in the church won't let me use it." I think at that point He'd say, "here's a church over here that listens to Me. . go there instead."

 

[perfectlyok2]

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[Trish1947]

If your attending a church where men know that women also receive the same gifts and calling of God in their lives, then you have unity in Christ. If your attending a church that prevents this because of their understanding of the scriptures and you are convienced of this, then no amount of posting will convience you other wise. And I would certainly feel more responsible to God and not man if I have been given gifts of the Holy Spirit, and not do what He called me to do.

 

[speakingthetruth777]

What would be most sorry is for God to give a gift and then I say, "sorry God, but the men in the church won't let me use it." I think at that point He'd say, "here's a church over here that listens to Me. . go there instead."

Amen! There is nothing wrong with women speaking. I learn alot from women! Let me ask yall that believe its wrong for a lady to preach. What about when a man wont do it? Is it better for the people NOT to hear the word since a man wont do it? Or do you think then it would be ok for women to do it?
Its bad---Christians are discriminated against by the world--thats bad enough but then Christian women are discriminated against by men that claim to be Christians but dont really do a study on the word and church history.
God Bless

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[SpiritPsalmist]

Matt 28:1-10, Luke 24:9-11, John 20:16-18 The two Mary's at the tomb were told to run and "tell" the disciples that "He is Risen".

John 4:28-30, 39 The woman at the well ran through the town and brought them all to Jesus. V39 "Now numerous Samaritans from theat town believed in and trusted in Him because of what the woman said".

Acts 2:14-21, Joel 2:28-32 V17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels].

1 Cor 14:3, 4 "the one who prohesies [who interprets the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching] speaks to men for thier upbuilding.V4 edifies and improves the church.

Acts 21:8, 9 Philip had 4 daughters who all had the gift of prophesy.

Rom 16:1, 2 Paul ws sending this letter via "our sister Phoebe, a deconess of the church at Cenchreae." He instructed them to receive her as saints ought to receive one another. He told them to help her in whatever way she needed. Several other women are listed in that chapter as helpers who worked alongside Paul in the furtherence of the Gospel. V3 Pricilla. V6 Mary. V 12 Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and Persis. V13 Rufus' mother, Paul said she was like a mother to him. V15 Julia and Nereus' sister.

Phil 4:2, 3, Euodia and Syntyche toild along with Paul in the spreading of the Good News.

1 Cor 1:11 "those of Chloes household"

1 Cor 11:4, 5 We see that "any women who [publicly] prayed or prophesied (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonisher, or comforts)". It's obvious that women were allowed to preach.

1 Cor 12 Paul says each of us have differing gifts. He does not seperate women's gifts from mens. V11 God gives to "each person as God wishes".

Col 4:15 Nympha had a church which met in her house.

2 Timothy 3:8-12 is giving the list of qualities for a deacon. V11 "the women likewise".

The Old Testament has a list of women also, Ex 15:20 Miriam prophesied before ALL the people.

Judges 4:4 Deborah, a prophetess, a wife, and a JUDGE of Israel.

2 Kings 22:14 and 2 Chron 34:22 Huldah, a prophetess and a wife. Hilkiah, the High Priest and several other men went to her for a word from God.

Nehemiah 6:14 Tobiah, a prophetess

Isaiah 8:3 Isaiahs wife was a prophetess.

Luke 1:39-56 Elizabeth, mother of John the Baptist prophesied.

Luke 2:36 Anna, a prophetess in the temple enclosure.