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That as most scientists believe in the big bang, it is up to him to provide evidence that they don't as well as a believable explanation for the universe.The Big Bang/universe is not my area of expertise in apologetics. What would you reply?
There are logic issues with the universe existing in time/space infinitely (eternal time). Mathematically, if the universe existed infinity ago, then from that imaginary origin (eternity past) today represents eternity (infinity) future.So i wanna make sure i answer this throughly. Here’s his questions after we talked about atheist wanting a infinite universe instead of dealing with the Big Bang. Any suggestions on what do actually say. I’m trying to find the polls now.
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There are logic issues with the universe existing in time/space infinitely (eternal time).
Ummm, no. God is not in time, but outside of it.
God created time for the sake of man, but God Himself is infinite (not limited) by Time itself.
A universe existing in time infinitely in the past is theoretically possible (discussions of such a universe go back to Aristotle), but it would need to be an oscillating universe.
Yes, this is a good call-out and affirms the speculative nature (and not backed by data-substantiated evidence gathered from scientific observation) of ideas supporting a universe of infinite age.A universe existing in time infinitely in the past is theoretically possible (discussions of such a universe go back to Aristotle), but it would need to be an oscillating universe.
Or one in which matter is continuously being created therein.
From what I understand in the past scientists thought the universe always existed and it was static. That changed in 1929 when astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered the universe was expanding. This meant there had to be a beginning where everything went back to a single point. For atheists and believers the eternal universe was support that there was no God but for theists the universe having a beginning was support for God.So i wanna make sure i answer this throughly. Here’s his questions after we talked about atheist wanting a infinite universe instead of dealing with the Big Bang. Any suggestions on what do actually say. I’m trying to find the polls now.
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The Big Bang/universe is not my area of expertise in apologetics. What would you reply?
God is infinite so if they want infinite then they are searching to know God. Actually the Bible is infinite. Each and every letter that is used for the Hebrew Bible is infinite. John tells us all the books in the world could not contain what Jesus has done. (John21:25) "If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written."atheist wanting a infinite universe
An infinite universe would require no corruption and no decay. According to the second law of thermodynamics, the amount of entropy in a system must always increase. Assume "The Big Crunch" scenario (the universe will collapse to a singularity). In the big crunch scenario, by definition, there is no universe for the radiation to escape to because the universe itself is collapsing, taking all radiation with it.Would an infinite universe require an infinite creator?
Some people believe we were there: "For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love " (Ephesians1:4) We are told that the angels were there: "On what were its foundations laid, or who set its core in place— while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:6,7)We were not there when God created everything. We can simply guess how he did it.
I never said God did not create stars, but i do say God did not create a universe where people believe stars are. Stars are exactly where God placed them and in Genesis 1 states they are in the raqia.
Radagast said:Well, first, talking to people like this is fruitless.
The overwhelming consensus of scientists is that the Big Bang theory is correct (see e.g. here). The Big Bang theory implies that our universe came into being at a time T0 (i.e. that it existed after T0, but not "before," if "before" has any meaning). In that sense it was created. The Big Bang theory says nothing about how our universe came into being.
Some people believe we were there: "For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love " (Ephesians1:4) We are told that the angels were there: "On what were its foundations laid, or who set its core in place— while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:6,7)
RDKirk said:Colossians 1 tells us, however, that the spiritual beings and the heavens themselves were also created, so there was a point before them as well.
God choosing us though did not involve our own preexistence, but this speaks to God's foreknowledge, as God the essential being of existence has no limits to anything, including God's knowledge, which is then unlimited. God knows all, but this knowledge of us is not the same as other knowledge, which is knowledge about things. There is a word of another knowledge, which we do not have in english, that it is not indicated in translations, the personal knowledge. God knows already those who do come to God in a relationship when they do respond to God in their own lives. So it is that Jesus spoke of others who will be told, "Depart from me, I never knew you." They were never known personally, as they never have the personal relationship with God that people should come to, that since the fall of humanity has been made available through Jesus Christ.
Indeed that there is a time that everything of physical existence began indicates that there was the essential being of existence that made it, this was the Creator, the always existing unlimited one.
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