Need help (Jesus name)

[Shempster]

I have read questions that appear to discredit the scriptures.
This is not one of those. I really need help understanding...
There is much talk in the NT about the name of our savior. How demons will flee at His name and at some point the world will hate anyone who aspires to that name.

This glaring issue that I have pondered for decades comes back. If his NAME is so important then why do we not use His name? Our Lord was a Hebrew and did not have a Greek name. So far as I can tell, His real name is Yeshua (or one of other several variants)
yet almost all of the world use the Name Jesus.Thats not even close to Yeshua.
I mean, a name is a sound and a spelling. Names do not translate into other languages. If they are changed then they won't refer to the correct person (unless accompanied by a picture of the person)

Why can't I get past this? Is this "translation" of His name a grand conspiracy to throw us off track of the actual being who died on a cross for humanity?

 

[jacksknight]

I have read questions that appear to discredit the scriptures.
This is not one of those. I really need help understanding...
There is much talk in the NT about the name of our savior. How demons will flee at His name and at some point the world will hate anyone who aspires to that name.

This glaring issue that I have pondered for decades comes back. If his NAME is so important then why do we not use His name? Our Lord was a Hebrew and did not have a Greek name. So far as I can tell, His real name is Yeshua (or one of other several variants)
yet almost all of the world use the Name Jesus.Thats not even close to Yeshua.
I mean, a name is a sound and a spelling. Names do not translate into other languages. If they are changed then they won't refer to the correct person (unless accompanied by a picture of the person)

Why can't I get past this? Is this "translation" of His name a grand conspiracy to throw us off track of the actual being who died on a cross for humanity?

I'm not a scholar but this lays it out pretty well..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

All i know is that i have cast out demons in the name of Jesus!

 

[Shempster]

I'm not a scholar but this lays it out pretty well..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

All i know is that i have cast out demons in the name of Jesus!

I get what they are saying, but... lets say your name is William in English. We want to translate William into Creole for instance.
So we start with William which is Bill for short, then we notice that "bill" can also mean a note or invoice and the word Invoice in Creole is Farguu so we could safely say that your name is Farguu......so would that make your name Farguu to you? Would you accept that as a proper translation of you?

 

[Radagast]

I have read questions that appear to discredit the scriptures.
This is not one of those. I really need help understanding...
There is much talk in the NT about the name of our savior. How demons will flee at His name and at some point the world will hate anyone who aspires to that name.

This glaring issue that I have pondered for decades comes back. If his NAME is so important then why do we not use His name? Our Lord was a Hebrew and did not have a Greek name. So far as I can tell, His real name is Yeshua (or one of other several variants)

We do not know for certain what pronunciation of his name Jesus used. It would have been Aramaic, not Hebrew, anyway. But the Bible tells us to use the Greek version of the name, Iēsous.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

The letters of Paul were written in Greek and he used Iesous as the name of His Lord and Savior (Jesus is the English of that name). I'm gonna roll with Paul on this one.

 

[Soyeong]

I have read questions that appear to discredit the scriptures.
This is not one of those. I really need help understanding...
There is much talk in the NT about the name of our savior. How demons will flee at His name and at some point the world will hate anyone who aspires to that name.

This glaring issue that I have pondered for decades comes back. If his NAME is so important then why do we not use His name? Our Lord was a Hebrew and did not have a Greek name. So far as I can tell, His real name is Yeshua (or one of other several variants)
yet almost all of the world use the Name Jesus.Thats not even close to Yeshua.
I mean, a name is a sound and a spelling. Names do not translate into other languages. If they are changed then they won't refer to the correct person (unless accompanied by a picture of the person)

Why can't I get past this? Is this "translation" of His name a grand conspiracy to throw us off track of the actual being who died on a cross for humanity?

It's more about the identity of who he is rather than a particular order of letters or sounds. God puts His name on us and we are His representatives, so taking His name is vain is doing something that brings dishonor to his reputation.

http://messianicewe.blogspot.com/2013/07/take-my-name.html

 

[Radagast]

The letters of Paul were written in Greek and he used Iesous as the name of His Lord and Savior (Jesus is the English of that name). I'm gonna roll with Paul on this one.

The Gospels were written in Greek too. Matthew 1:21 actually says "you shall call his name Iēsous, for he will save his people from their sins."

 

[ewq1938]

Yehoshua – Original Hebrew Name meaning Yahweh is salvation
Yeshua – Shortened Hebrew version during/after Babylonian exile
Iesous – Yeshua translated into Greek
Iesvs – Yeshua translated into Latin
Iesus – Original King James English Edition
Jesus – Modern English Versions


Yeshua was a common alternative form of the name Yehoshuah or in the English Joshua. In Greek the spelling is Iesous. In Latin the spelling is Iesus. In English the spelling is Jesus. The name "Jesus" is fully accurate for any English translation of the Greek name.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I have read questions that appear to discredit the scriptures.
This is not one of those. I really need help understanding...
There is much talk in the NT about the name of our savior. How demons will flee at His name and at some point the world will hate anyone who aspires to that name.

This glaring issue that I have pondered for decades comes back. If his NAME is so important then why do we not use His name? Our Lord was a Hebrew and did not have a Greek name. So far as I can tell, His real name is Yeshua (or one of other several variants)
yet almost all of the world use the Name Jesus.Thats not even close to Yeshua.
I mean, a name is a sound and a spelling. Names do not translate into other languages. If they are changed then they won't refer to the correct person (unless accompanied by a picture of the person)

Why can't I get past this? Is this "translation" of His name a grand conspiracy to throw us off track of the actual being who died on a cross for humanity?

Jeshua (Yeshua) and Joshua (Yehoshua) are rendered as Iesous in Greek consistently, just take a look at the Septuagint. Koine Greek doesn't have a corresponding sound to Semitic Shin, and so uses a Sigma; and if you want a name to be a name in Greek it needs to end like a name, male names stypically end with a Sigma, and so Iesous is what "Yeshua" is going to look like written in Greek, there's simply no other way to write it. In Latin it becomes Iesus, when consonantal 'I' started being written to look like 'J' it started to be written out as Jesus. In English that 'J' developed a hard sound, so instead of sounding like the Latin Iesus (yay-soos) it sounds like jay-soos, and in a number of English dialects today it's become something closer to sounding like jee-zuss.

There's no conspiracy. It's just what happens when you write a person's name in a non-native language that uses a different morphology. My name is Jonathan, if I want to write that in Japanese Katakana it looks like ジョナサン, that's Jo Na Sa N, Jonasan. The first thing you should notice is that the "th" disappears completely, that's because Japanese has no corresponding sound, and so is replaced by a 's' kana, in this case Sa (サ). Japanese morphology is almost entirely rooted in syllabic morphemes, A E I O U, Ka, Ke, Ki, Ko, Ku, etc. Japanese writing, likewise, is a syllabary not an alphabet. In fact Japanese writing consists of two syllabaries (hiragana and katakana) as well as Kanji, the complex characters borrowed from Chinese. The result is that words and names borrowed into Japanese and written in Japanese have to conform to Japanese morphology, the English word ball becomes ボール (ba-ru), and so forth.

That's just a fact of language and how languages work.

If the Evangelists and Apostles were okay with writing Iesous and preaching Iesous then there shouldn't be any fretting on our part that we say Jesus. The sounds and letters aren't magic, it's Who we're talking about that matters.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Pamelav]

This may sound like a lame explanation, not sure, but any word translated from a different language is known to both God and man what it means. God invented languages. So He has many names for us to use for the name Jesus also, which mean the same thing.

 

[hedrick]

I think it’s a mistake to consider a specific word magic. After all, many people of Spanish ancestry are named Jesus, and their names don’t have any special power.

References to the power of Jesus’ name are a short-hand for people why pray in Jesus’ name or otherwise have faith in Jesus and rely upon it. The Word Jesus or Iesous, or whatever, isn’t magic. What matters is faith in Jesus.

 

[Pamelav]

I think it’s a mistake to consider a specific word magic. After all, many people of Spanish ancestry are named Jesus, and their names don’t have any special power.

References to the power of Jesus’ name are a short-hand for people why pray in Jesus’ name or otherwise have faith in Jesus and rely upon it. The Word Jesus or Iesous, or whatever, isn’t magic. What matters is faith in Jesus.

Words do have power tho. In Matthew He talks about the people who said, 'did we not cast out demons in your name and do many miracles in Your name? And Jesus told them to get away because He never knew them. ----It's easier to go brief on smart phones.
We can't just decide to give Jesus a name we make up, and then use it because we have faith. I think the names of His are given by the Father and those are to be used.

 

[Greg J.]

In Scripture, the reference to someone's name is a reference to who they are in terms of all that they are. Trying to use any particular name as the source of power is magic. It is through our faith in the Son of God in light of the Father that gives our words power (such as casting out demons in Jesus' name).

The apostles used the phrase "in Jesus' name," but to truly understand what they meant, we'd have to see what was going on in their hearts and minds. Note that to them, it was a reference to that Person they had lived with for several years, not just a word.

By the way, tacking "in Jesus' name" on at the end of a prayer does not make the prayer in Jesus' name. I'm not going to elaborate on that, because trying to figure out what it takes for a prayer to be in Jesus' name can bear awesome fruit for an individual.