Need help decyphering these articles.

[OldWiseGuy]

Can someone go through these reports and find out how many poor people, who live in food deserts, don't have a vehicle? It is the most important aspect of the subject and I can't find the number.

What You Need To Know About Food Deserts

What to Do If You Live in a Food Desert

 

[Chesterton]

Personally I think the most important aspect is of the subject is the subject - what is a food desert? It says: "If there’s a poverty rate of 20% or greater, and at least 500 persons and/or 33% of the population lives more than a mile away from a supermarket or large grocery store, it’s considered a food desert." Judging from my experience, I would expect at least 95% of the population lives more than a mile away from a supermarket or large grocery store.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Personally I think the most important aspect is of the subject is the subject - what is a food desert? It says: "If there’s a poverty rate of 20% or greater, and at least 500 persons and/or 33% of the population lives more than a mile away from a supermarket or large grocery store, it’s considered a food desert." Judging from my experience, I would expect at least 95% of the population lives more than a mile away from a supermarket or large grocery store.

My store is 1 1/2 miles away.

I also would like to know about bus service in those food deserts.

 

[Chesterton]

My store is 1 1/2 miles away.

I also would like to know about bus service in those food deserts.

My store's about 2 miles. And I'd estimate the closest residence to it is about a quarter mile away from it.

 

[CherubRam]

Can someone go through these reports and find out how many poor people, who live in food deserts, don't have a vehicle? It is the most important aspect of the subject and I can't find the number.

What You Need To Know About Food Deserts

What to Do If You Live in a Food Desert

2.1 million households do not own a vehicle.

Here are some statistics:
Food Deserts - Google Search

 

[essentialsaltes]

Can someone go through these reports and find out how many poor people, who live in food deserts, don't have a vehicle? It is the most important aspect of the subject and I can't find the number.

In block groups lacking a nearby supermarket, rates of automobile access generally were quite high (more than 95%), although this still leaves almost 5% of the population in these areas lacking both an automobile and a nearby supermarket.

Judging from my experience, I would expect at least 95% of the population lives more than a mile away from a supermarket or large grocery store.

85.6% of high-poverty block groups had a supermarket within 1 mile, while 76.8% of lower-poverty block groups had a supermarket within this distance.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The articles don't really help much, or many, do they ?
As one of them says though:

"Staying healthy isn’t just about working out and investing in self care. A balanced diet is an incredibly important way to prevent diseases and health issues that could impact you in the long-term. "

BUT we are not allowed even on this forum to point this out to people who are sick !
(that changing their diet can reverse most all disease, as well as prevent it).

Rich people still get sick because of mal-nutrition, de-hydration, and stress,
same as
poor people.

Count how many people are sick, according to ama/ cdc/ fda/ or whoever you want to go by.

THat is how many people are lacking proper nutrition and exposed to too many toxins (medical or otherwise/ environmental/ food/ water/ air) .....

Thus how many are "food poor", often because of "lack of (TRUE) knowledge" as well as TOO MUCH false knowledge (by those making them sick....) ....

 

[Chesterton]

85.6% of high-poverty block groups had a supermarket within 1 mile, while 76.8% of lower-poverty block groups had a supermarket within this distance.

So by their definition, there's pretty much no such thing as a food desert.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So by their definition, there's pretty much no such thing as a food desert.

I agree. I would be interesting to know how many are not able to access good food under any circumstances.

Another subject of course is are those people really malnourished, or just overweight? How many are diagnosed as being malnourished or undernourished by medical professionals?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I agree. I would be interesting to know how many are not able to access good food under any circumstances.

Another subject of course is are those people really malnourished, or just overweight? How many are diagnosed as being malnourished or undernourished by medical professionals?

Just go outside and start walking. Keep walking. MEET PEOPLE. FIND OUT FIRST HAND who is hungry,

and IF you have two sandwiches, GIVE THEM ONE......
and
IF you have a glass of water, Give one to someone who is THIRSTY.....

Keep looking. Keep Seeking ------ the poor are not very far away.... the hungry and the thirsty are likely closer than most people think .....

DAILY. Serve the poor, the hungry, the lost, the broken .... as God has given a way to serve them. (right in "your own" neighborhood, AS WRITTEN )

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Just go outside and start walking. Keep walking. MEET PEOPLE. FIND OUT FIRST HAND who is hungry,

and IF you have two sandwiches, GIVE THEM ONE......
and
IF you have a glass of water, Give one to someone who is THIRSTY.....

Keep looking. Keep Seeking ------ the poor are not very far away.... the hungry and the thirsty are likely closer than most people think .....

DAILY. Serve the poor, the hungry, the lost, the broken .... as God has given a way to serve them. (right in "your own" neighborhood, AS WRITTEN )

Nah. We do that through government and non-government organizations. We pay our taxes and/or send a check. And as good citizens we don't do anything that would take money away from these efforts.

 

[Chesterton]

I agree. I would be interesting to know how many are not able to access good food under any circumstances.

Another subject of course is are those people really malnourished, or just overweight? How many are diagnosed as being malnourished or undernourished by medical professionals?

And how many just prefer Pizza Hut to carrots and broccoli? I know I do.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And how many just prefer Pizza Hut to carrots and broccoli? I know I do.

Good point. "You can lead a poor person to the health food store, but you can't make him eat that stuff."

 

[essentialsaltes]

So by their definition, there's pretty much no such thing as a food desert.

Except in ~20% of the country.

100% of the people in those census tracts live more than a mile away from a grocery store.

 

[Chesterton]

Except in ~20% of the country.

100% of the people in those census tracts live more than a mile away from a grocery store.

Well if you define the set as the set, yeah, 100% of red apples are red. I can't argue with that.

 

[blackribbon]

"The USDA shows that about 2.3 million, or 2.2%, of households in the United States who live more than a mile from the grocery store also don’t have access to a car."

Why don't they have access to a car?

I know a lot of poorer people who live in the country to grow huge gardens so they don't need a grocery for "fresh produce". Urban people tend to have buses and form of public transportation.

Personally, an article from Redbook magazine might be a good source of "things to think about" but isn't anything to reference in coming up with solutions. Lots of questions not answered...what is the health and weight status of these people who don't have cars (so likely walk a lot - heathier than riding in a car) and if they are growing gardens or living in less population dense areas, they may have a higher standard of living. Then there are the flip...population dense inner city area where crime is so bad that grocery stores don't want to have a location....in which, access to a grocery store may not be their biggest problem.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I know a lot of poorer people who live in the country to grow huge gardens so they don't need a grocery for "fresh produce".

And they can save seeds as well.

Having a garden, which gives one healthy work, fresh air, and great tasting healthful vegetables makes me think that we should at least tax them a little for this. Kind of like taxing people for opting out of Obamacare.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Nah. We do that through government and non-government organizations. We pay our taxes and/or send a check. And as good citizens we don't do anything that would take money away from these efforts.

I was talking as if to the citizens of heaven, not the ones who love and claim citizenship in this corrupt world / system.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why don't they have access to a car?

Is this for real? Is this a real question ?

 

[blackribbon]

Is this for real? Is this a real question ?

Yes it is a real question. My roommate in college didn't have a car because she lived in New York City and it wasn't needed and parking them is expensive. I know people who don't have cars because they can't afford them and others because they don't use them enough to want to pay for them. Uber and Lyft is cheaper and easier than keeping up a car. Some places don't need them. And I've even known people who just had no desire to "go to town". They could drive their tractor in, I guess, if it was important enough. Amish have no cars.

Not having a car doesn't mean that you are poor and can't afford one. Some people just don't have them. And it doesn't mean they don't have access to decent food.