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This is difficult to write about, but getting other peoples opinions who are total strangers (and can thus be objective) might be the only way I can resolve this.

My wife and I are now separated (15 months) and have filed for divorce. I initiated this after many years of frustration and not being able to get her to talk about our issues. Here in a nutshell is what happened.

At the birth of our youngest child, now almost 21, intimacy dropped precipitously. I'm not talking just sex here, but that was of course a part of it. I'm talking no hugging, no cuddling, no quick pecks on the cheek, holding hands, nothing. I would say for the last decade, none of the above have occurred. Yet she would give warm long hugs to male friends when we would see them at parties, etc.

I tried to talk with her about this. Except on one occasion where she admitted we had a problem (I'll mention this incident in more detail later), it always endded up with her telling me she hated me, telling me to leave the house, or just a flat xxxx you. In all cases, she became incredibly angry I suggested counseling once, and her comment was that I should go by myself since she's was perfectly happy.

The one incident mentioned above did result in her agreeing to find out more as to why she felt that intimacy was unnecessary, but to be patient. I left out books and articles on the importance of intimacy in a relationship, sometimes as long as 6 months, and they were never touched.

I will tell you she is extremely driven to success and work was by far her #1 priority.

My prayers for years were to get her to love me again, to help her understand that marriage is the only place certain acts designed to bring two people closer together occur and are an absolute necessity to keep a marriage vibrant. But it always fell on deaf ears. During the past few years, my prayers changed to help me continue to love her, even though the rejection was unbearble.

Finally, after a very difficult night and hours of prayer, I realized I had to get out if I was to survive.

After I told her I wanted a divorce, she was dumbfounded, which I find incredulous. But then it was her that wanted counseling, who committed she would change, who realized she didn't listen, etc. That was all well and good, and I had some hope, but then she started pushing books and bible passages on me, basically trying to point out that I was the wrong one, that I needed psychological and spiritual help, and that I had a duty to stay in the marriage - one terrific guilt trip, let me tell you.

My take on all this is she abandoned our relationship years ago, and they we were more like roommates or brother and sister and that, while I have prayed and asked fof guidance continuously, I don't feel compelled in any way to try and work things out - There are just too many bad memories and too much pain. But what are your opinions? I would very much appreciate some guidance, especially if anyone has had a similar situation.

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It sounds like you shook her up a bit with divorce talk. To me it seems obvious that she gets something of value out of her relationship with you. Or she would have reacted quite differently when you said it. My wife said nothing when I said I was filing... Just cold emptiness. Your wife could be getting companionship, stability or any number of other things out of the marriage without you realizing it.

In my experience quoting Bible verses doesn't have a lot of positive affects in a bad relationship. You could find a number of verses to support the position that intimacy is an intricate part of a marriage. I doubt it would change her position.

My wife just up and told me one day that she didn't want to pretend anymore and the intimacy dried up. Of course in my case it was fueled by an affair. But she was still shocked when I said I was filing for divorce. She was happy living as a single woman in a married relationship. How dare I want something different?

If the intimacy means that much to you, she needs to address it in a better fashion. To just say that you can't divorce me because the Bible says so will not fix the relationship. It seems to be an attempt to control you and to force you to accept the relationship as it is.

However, If she is willing to go to counseling I would say you would be crazy not to. My wife refused to go to counseling for 18 years and ultimately it made me feel like I was leaving the relationship unfinished when I filed for divorce. I wish so much my wife had been willing... I believe marriage is a covenant with God, and I felt I should endure years of pain and trial before even thinking about divorce. Only when there was absolutely nothing left that I could do did I check out.

Basically, I don't know the details of your situation but in what you wrote I saw a bit of hope. Might want to hang in there. She seems to value you in some way. My wife saw me only as financial security by the time I filed. And that she figured she could get in child support and alimony...
 
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:( What more can I say. You guys seemingly said it all.
I'm sorry for your situation. The players are different but
the scene is replayed continuously. So many similarities...
How longsuffering need one be? How longsuffering can
one be? All I can add is I pray you find the answers you
need. God loves you. He still has a plan for YOU.
 
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This is difficult to write about, but getting other peoples opinions who are total strangers (and can thus be objective) might be the only way I can resolve this.

My wife and I are now separated (15 months) and have filed for divorce. I initiated this after many years of frustration and not being able to get her to talk about our issues. Here in a nutshell is what happened.

At the birth of our youngest child, now almost 21, intimacy dropped precipitously. I'm not talking just sex here, but that was of course a part of it. I'm talking no hugging, no cuddling, no quick pecks on the cheek, holding hands, nothing. I would say for the last decade, none of the above have occurred. Yet she would give warm long hugs to male friends when we would see them at parties, etc.

I tried to talk with her about this. Except on one occasion where she admitted we had a problem (I'll mention this incident in more detail later), it always endded up with her telling me she hated me, telling me to leave the house, or just a flat xxxx you. In all cases, she became incredibly angry I suggested counseling once, and her comment was that I should go by myself since she's was perfectly happy.

The one incident mentioned above did result in her agreeing to find out more as to why she felt that intimacy was unnecessary, but to be patient. I left out books and articles on the importance of intimacy in a relationship, sometimes as long as 6 months, and they were never touched.

I will tell you she is extremely driven to success and work was by far her #1 priority.

My prayers for years were to get her to love me again, to help her understand that marriage is the only place certain acts designed to bring two people closer together occur and are an absolute necessity to keep a marriage vibrant. But it always fell on deaf ears. During the past few years, my prayers changed to help me continue to love her, even though the rejection was unbearble.

Finally, after a very difficult night and hours of prayer, I realized I had to get out if I was to survive.

After I told her I wanted a divorce, she was dumbfounded, which I find incredulous. But then it was her that wanted counseling, who committed she would change, who realized she didn't listen, etc. That was all well and good, and I had some hope, but then she started pushing books and bible passages on me, basically trying to point out that I was the wrong one, that I needed psychological and spiritual help, and that I had a duty to stay in the marriage - one terrific guilt trip, let me tell you.

My take on all this is she abandoned our relationship years ago, and they we were more like roommates or brother and sister and that, while I have prayed and asked fof guidance continuously, I don't feel compelled in any way to try and work things out - There are just too many bad memories and too much pain. But what are your opinions? I would very much appreciate some guidance, especially if anyone has had a similar situation.

Thank you!
File for the divorce and see it through. You sound like you're right on target.
 
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no man. you did what you needed to do and now you are going to have to follow through with tough love. some times people take other people for granted. so she just assumed you can be treated like that. your expendable and will always be there. sort of like the couch or love seat. well the divorce talk started and now she realized you have a back bone and now she has to move. make sure your clear about the changes needed.
 
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mark my words. You accept her back and not follow through with it, and you'll be doomed with that nonsense for the rest of your life.

She's already telling you that you're the one with the problem - and that you are the one defaulting on your Christian obligations. It's simply more of the same - but channeled differently. Once again, in a perverted way, the fault lies with you, not with her.

I agree with the above poster in a way. You're showing you've got backbone. Stick with it - and truly have backbone. File for the divorce and see it through. If you don't - all you'll do is simply show that the repercussion for 21 years of garbage treatment is a little huffing and hawing on your part - before you take her back.

At best, she might try to atone for a little while (although I doubt it with the guilt trip aspect of it) - before she reverts back to her old ways.

It's your life - do as you see fit - but it's up to you to decide what kind of life you want. Do you want one filled with love, and companionship, or the type of stuff you've dealt with until now.
 
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