Need an abortion? Satan has you covered!

[Jermayn]

Looks like someone finally gave abortion the label it deserves. A satanic ritual. For all you Christians here who support it, please, take note of who is, and is not, coming to the rescue of Roe v. Wade.

 

[look4hope]

Wow. This is..I’m not sure I have words nor should I be shocked. But some how, I am. Yikes.

P.S.
That profile pic of yours is adorable

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Looks like someone finally gave abortion the label it deserves. A satanic ritual. For all you Christians here who support it, please, take note of who is, and is not, coming to the rescue of Roe v. Wade.

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I think they speak with forked tongue ... but y'know, there's a reason for it I'm sure since it's funded by the "Reason Alliance."

 

[Arcangl86]

Of course the fact that the Satanic Temple doesn't actually worship Satan has nothing to do with the discussion.

 

[Arcangl86]

Considering they are atheists, I think it's safe to say they don't worship anybody.

 

[Deafsilence]

Looks like someone finally gave abortion the label it deserves. A satanic ritual. For all you Christians here who support it, please, take note of who is, and is not, coming to the rescue of Roe v. Wade.

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Pretty sure that last I checked Abortion is at a minimum 1 death per procedure. Then again, if they don't understand that abortion is a sin, I guess I can't be surprised if they got the math wrong.

 

[peaceful-forest]

Genesis 9:5-6 NIV:

And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting...And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.

 

[Michie]

Satanists plan to open New Mexico abortuary named after Justice Alito’s mother

According to a Wednesday report by Fox News, the satanists’ baby-killing facility will be named “The Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic.”

The Satanic Temple to Open Free Abortion Facility in New Mexico

The group, which denies the existence of Satan but associates itself with satanic imagery, says the online facility will provide medication abortion pills by mail.

www.ncregister.com

 

[ViaCrucis]

On my "What happens when Roe v Wade is overturned" bingo card, conservatives driving desperate and hurting women to the satanic temple because they have no other options probably wasn't on it.

Perhaps some will view that characterization as unfair. I don't. And I think, as abortion access becomes more restrictive we're going to see a rise in in all kinds of problems. There aren't going to be fewer abortions. It's ultimately a hollow victory for the pro-life movement. The abortion-free utopia that some imagine isn't going to happen, which is why many of us have been speaking about addressing the root causes that lead to abortion. Abortion is a symptom of a deeper social malady. And merely making it illegal isn't going to address it. It's not going to save the lives of babies, and it's only going to hurt women.

This is like putting spikes on park benches thinking that's going to fix the problem with homelessness.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jermayn]

On my "What happens when Roe v Wade is overturned" bingo card, conservatives driving desperate and hurting women to the satanic temple because they have no other options probably wasn't on it.

Perhaps some will view that characterization as unfair. I don't. And I think, as abortion access becomes more restrictive we're going to see a rise in in all kinds of problems. There aren't going to be fewer abortions. It's ultimately a hollow victory for the pro-life movement. The abortion-free utopia that some imagine isn't going to happen, which is why many of us have been speaking about addressing the root causes that lead to abortion. Abortion is a symptom of a deeper social malady. And merely making it illegal isn't going to address it. It's not going to save the lives of babies, and it's only going to hurt women.

This is like putting spikes on park benches thinking that's going to fix the problem with homelessness.

-CryptoLutheran

No one is driving anyone to anything. There's this thing called personal responsibility that says if you decide to sacrifice your unborn kids to Satan or maim yourself with a coat hanger, their/your blood will be on your own head and not the entire nations. Like it or not, abortion is murder. If you want to invent ways to justify it, just remember that you are the one that's going to have to give an account for it before God one day. Nobody else.

 

[ViaCrucis]

No one is driving anyone to anything. There's this thing called personal responsibility that says if you decide to sacrifice your unborn kids to Satan or maim yourself with a coat hanger, their/your blood will be on your own head and not the entire nations. Like it or not, abortion is murder. If you want to invent ways to justify it, just remember that you are the one that's going to have to give an account for it before God one day. Nobody else.

And this is why a Christian conversation about this subject is basically impossible.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[GodLovesCats]

Genesis 9:5-6 NIV:

And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting...And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.

So why does GOD kill hundreds of millions of human zygotes, blastocysts, and embryos every year? Science proves He does that.

 

[peaceful-forest]

So why does GOD kill hundreds of millions of human zygotes, blastocysts, and embryos every year? Science proves He does that.

Is God killing them or allowing it to happen?

 

[Michie]

We are born into a fallen world with conditions that allow that. Is it God? Or is it we are born into a fallen world? God never willed that. It’s not an excuse. Miscarriage and abortion are two completely different situations.

 

[Tranquil Bondservant]

On my "What happens when Roe v Wade is overturned" bingo card, conservatives driving desperate and hurting women to the satanic temple because they have no other options probably wasn't on it.

Perhaps some will view that characterization as unfair. I don't. And I think, as abortion access becomes more restrictive we're going to see a rise in in all kinds of problems. There aren't going to be fewer abortions. It's ultimately a hollow victory for the pro-life movement. The abortion-free utopia that some imagine isn't going to happen, which is why many of us have been speaking about addressing the root causes that lead to abortion. Abortion is a symptom of a deeper social malady. And merely making it illegal isn't going to address it. It's not going to save the lives of babies, and it's only going to hurt women.

This is like putting spikes on park benches thinking that's going to fix the problem with homelessness.

-CryptoLutheran

Even if it saves the life of a single soul it's worth it. The Lord would have spared the entirety of the worst, most sinful city in existence for the sake of 10 righteous people (and His name therein). Conservatives aren't driving women to the satanic temple, the women who are getting an abortion are. I mean it's literally a law legalising the murder of growing humans, in what way is repealing a law that allows people to take the lives of humans freely hollow? Is it not even a step in the right direction?

 

[linux.poet]

Unless we are talking about an ectopic pregnancy, my feeling is that it is safer and healthier for a woman to perform a live birth than to endure an abortion.

An abortion is designed to kill at least one person and it is an artificial process the female human body was not designed to go through. The medical complications and risks of abortions for the females who endure that procedure seem underreported.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Even if it saves the life of a single soul it's worth it. The Lord would have spared the entirety of the worst, most sinful city in existence for the sake of 10 righteous people (and His name therein). Conservatives aren't driving women to the satanic temple, the women who are getting an abortion are. I mean it's literally a law legalising the murder of growing humans, in what way is repealing a law that allows people to take the lives of humans freely hollow? Is it not even a step in the right direction?

This presumes that women choose to terminate their pregnancies out of a cold-blooded desire to kill the child growing within them. Rather than there being complex issues. The idea that most women just terminate a pregnancy for giggles fundamentally fails at understanding the deeper socio-economic issues, not to mention things like sexual assault or health issues.

It would be absolutely wonderful if abortion could just disappear over night. Abortion is a travesty. But criminalizing it doesn't make it go away. Pushing desperate women to alternatives is precisely what criminalizing it outright does.

So, yes, driving women to alternatives--such as going to a group of Satanists in this case--is precisely what is going on.

If we really want to address abortion then we need to address the root causes, which are almost always socio-economic. Lack of sex education, lack of access to birth control, lack of access to financial resources to bring a child safely and comfortably into the world, etc.

Want to curb, lessen, and work toward eliminating abortion? Then invest in education, invest in welfare programs, invest in providing systems in which women are not victimized.

Moral band-aids are not real solutions. No more than punishing the homeless will fix homelessness.

And I have a hard time believing in the "if it saves the life of a single soul its worth it" argument when, out of the same mouths that would say this viz-a-viz abortion wouldn't say the same thing about gun restrictions. And if, if, saving a single human soul is worth it, then surely it should be worth it if addressing the larger and deeper societal problems would actually lead to fewer abortions.

As such, yes, it's a hollow victory for pro-life. Life has not won, all that has happened is to sweep death into a corner and pretend it's been addressed. This is not a victory for life, or justice, or righteousness--it is a hollow victory that will, in the long run, serve only to harm even more people. And I would not be at all surprised to learn that even more abortions happen as a consequence.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Tranquil Bondservant]

This presumes that women choose to terminate their pregnancies out of a cold-blooded desire to kill the child growing within them. Rather than there being complex issues. The idea that most women just terminate a pregnancy for giggles fundamentally fails at understanding the deeper socio-economic issues, not to mention things like sexual assault or health issues.

It would be absolutely wonderful if abortion could just disappear over night. Abortion is a travesty. But criminalizing it doesn't make it go away. Pushing desperate women to alternatives is precisely what criminalizing it outright does.

So, yes, driving women to alternatives--such as going to a group of Satanists in this case--is precisely what is going on.

If we really want to address abortion then we need to address the root causes, which are almost always socio-economic. Lack of sex education, lack of access to birth control, lack of access to financial resources to bring a child safely and comfortably into the world, etc.

Want to curb, lessen, and work toward eliminating abortion? Then invest in education, invest in welfare programs, invest in providing systems in which women are not victimized.

Moral band-aids are not real solutions. No more than punishing the homeless will fix homelessness.

And I have a hard time believing in the "if it saves the life of a single soul its worth it" argument when, out of the same mouths that would say this viz-a-viz abortion wouldn't say the same thing about gun restrictions. And if, if, saving a single human soul is worth it, then surely it should be worth it if addressing the larger and deeper societal problems would actually lead to fewer abortions.

As such, yes, it's a hollow victory for pro-life. Life has not won, all that has happened is to sweep death into a corner and pretend it's been addressed. This is not a victory for life, or justice, or righteousness--it is a hollow victory that will, in the long run, serve only to harm even more people. And I would not be at all surprised to learn that even more abortions happen as a consequence.

-CryptoLutheran

No it doesn't presume that women choose to terminate their pregnancies out of cold blood, that's your own bias and assumption of what I am saying. What I listed was the end result, that it is the woman who through her own volition kills her child and she is responsible for it's death and therefore she is the one driving herself to it. Now I clearly understand that this isn't a black and white issue in regards to personal choices or feelings, nothing ever is, but it is a black and white outcome of death (legalised murder) versus life (non murder). I think you'd be hard pressed to not say that the repealing of the a law that murders humans is a logical first step if we want to improve on the things you've listed as problems.

Also I'm Australian and your gun debates don't impact on me at all, neither do your personal views on politics or the stated hypocrisy. So you can have a hard time buying this from your own citizenry but don't impart those blinders you're placing on yourself onto me. Judge the argument by it's merits and based on scripture, not the arguments without foundation.

Your problem is that you're making it an either or, when it can be a both and. The repealing of a law that kills innocent growing humans is a victory but it's not the end, nor is it the only solution required. Nobody is arguing that women who are going through these issues shouldn't receive any care or further help. Your own Country's tendency to strawman the opposing sides through an exacerbated political dogmatism is what has led you to assume these things about what I stated.

And if, if, saving a single human soul is worth it, then surely it should be worth it if addressing the larger and deeper societal problems would actually lead to fewer abortions.

Amen

 

[ViaCrucis]

No it doesn't presume that women choose to terminate their pregnancies out of cold blood, that's your own bias and assumption of what I am saying. What I listed was the end result, that it is the woman who through her own volition kills her child and she is responsible for it's death and therefore she is the one driving herself to it. Now I clearly understand that this isn't a black and white issue in regards to personal choices or feelings, nothing ever is, but it is a black and white outcome of death (legalised murder) versus life (non murder). I think you'd be hard pressed to not say that the repealing of the a law that murders humans is a logical first step if we want to improve on the things you've listed as problems.

Also I'm Australian and your gun debates don't impact on me at all, neither do your personal views on politics or the stated hypocrisy. So you can have a hard time buying this from your own citizenry but don't impart those blinders you're placing on yourself onto me. Judge the argument by it's merits and based on scripture, not the arguments without foundation.

Your problem is that you're making it an either or, when it can be a both and. The repealing of a law that kills innocent growing humans is a victory but it's not the end, nor is it the only solution required. Nobody is arguing that women who are going through these issues shouldn't receive any care or further help. Your own Country's tendency to strawman the opposing sides through an exacerbated political dogmatism is what has led you to assume these things about what I stated.

Amen

In my country, as a general trend, those who believe that criminalizing abortion will solve abortion are also those who believe that it is impossible to regulate firearms to curb gun-related violence. So, no, that doesn't translate to you as an Australian. But in the context of American politics, that very much is the situation.

It is also the case, in my country, that those who want to criminalize women seeking to terminate a pregnancy (for any reason, including rape, incest, or even to save the mother's life) are, simultaneously, the same who argue the most strongly against addressing deeper socio-economic issues.

I apologize for, in my ignorance, drawing you into that. I allowed my own American bias get ahead of me.

However I still maintain this concern: That the long-term effects of overturning Roe v Wade and criminalizing women seeking to terminate a pregnancy will have the opposite of its intended effects. If the intent is to end, or lessen, abortion in the United States, then I simply do not believe that this is what is going to happen.

I do not support abortion. While I do not believe calling abortion murder is helpful, I fully believe that it is the end of a human life and I regard the end to any human life to be a tragedy. All death is injustice.

I am firmly not pro-abortion. But I don't believe the current political positions of the American conservative political establishment to be in the best interest of either pregnant women nor their unborn children. I believe the consequences of what is happening in my country is only going to lead to perpetuate abortion and perpetuate harm to both women and unborn children. I do not see an outcome where this is not the case. If there are genuine efforts to actually provide meaningful help to women and their children, maybe that'd be one thing--but as far as I'm aware that isn't on the table of discussion. Because the political hegemony that controls American conservatism is firmly anti-welfare. I simply do not believe the political establishment in America has a genuine interest in the well-being of people. Not only among the right-wing establishment, but also the left-wing establishment.

Things, no doubt, are different in Australia, as they are in many other countries. But here in my country, this is the state of things as I observe them.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Tranquil Bondservant]

In my country, as a general trend, those who believe that criminalizing abortion will solve abortion are also those who believe that it is impossible to regulate firearms to curb gun-related violence. So, no, that doesn't translate to you as an Australian. But in the context of American politics, that very much is the situation.

It is also the case, in my country, that those who want to criminalize women seeking to terminate a pregnancy (for any reason, including rape, incest, or even to save the mother's life) are, simultaneously, the same who argue the most strongly against addressing deeper socio-economic issues.

I apologize for, in my ignorance, drawing you into that. I allowed my own American bias get ahead of me.

However I still maintain this concern: That the long-term effects of overturning Roe v Wade and criminalizing women seeking to terminate a pregnancy will have the opposite of its intended effects. If the intent is to end, or lessen, abortion in the United States, then I simply do not believe that this is what is going to happen.

I do not support abortion. While I do not believe calling abortion murder is helpful, I fully believe that it is the end of a human life and I regard the end to any human life to be a tragedy. All death is injustice.

I am firmly not pro-abortion. But I don't believe the current political positions of the American conservative political establishment to be in the best interest of either pregnant women nor their unborn children. I believe the consequences of what is happening in my country is only going to lead to perpetuate abortion and perpetuate harm to both women and unborn children. I do not see an outcome where this is not the case. If there are genuine efforts to actually provide meaningful help to women and their children, maybe that'd be one thing--but as far as I'm aware that isn't on the table of discussion. Because the political hegemony that controls American conservatism is firmly anti-welfare. I simply do not believe the political establishment in America has a genuine interest in the well-being of people. Not only among the right-wing establishment, but also the left-wing establishment.

Things, no doubt, are different in Australia, as they are in many other countries. But here in my country, this is the state of things as I observe them.

-CryptoLutheran

No worries mate. Ultimately we are both in the same camp regarding the further help required in order to solve the issue though I don't think it ever will be fully resolved and I'm sure neither do you. The reason I call abortion murder is because that is what it is based upon the biblical definition of killing the innocent with the intent to kill and when we start using the language of the world it makes room for the world who disagrees that it is murder, to creep in. In the same way if we adhere to solely empiricism as a paradigm we lose sight of biblical truths, so to it happens when we stop using the words which are representative of the truth. If anything you could say the softening of the language to something it's not perpetuates abortion by allowing people to not think they are murdering. So I apologise if I myself have lumped you into the opposing camp through the use of strong language.

Nevertheless, I'm glad the conversation has at least been constructive and I hope that people will be able to read your point of view and genuinely learn about the necessity of going deeper into the cause of abortion.

God bless