Need a new book

[Tonks]

I just finished "The Rapture Exposed" by Barbara Rossing...that is an incredible book!...very good stuff...

Not to jump in your thread but I concur WRT "The Rapture Exposed." Good stuff indeed.

 

[KEPLER]

Tell me, is she talking about the fallacies of the pre-tribulation rapture or that there is no rapture?

Thanks,
Ed

She is saying that there is no rapture...."as defined by Hal Lindsey, et al." She is not denying that at the end of the ages, when Christ returns, those who are alive will be "caught up" as Paul says in 1 Thessalonians.

K

 

[Willy]

I highly recommend "Leaving Moses on the Freeway," an outstanding appropriation of the Ten Commandments for contemporary culture. I'd recommend anything by Douglas John Hall or Marcus Borg.

 

[Protoevangel]

I highly recommend "Leaving Moses on the Freeway," an outstanding appropriation of the Ten Commandments for contemporary culture. I'd recommend anything by Douglas John Hall or Marcus Borg.

Do you mean "Losing Moses on the Freeway"?

 

[Protoevangel]

I highly recommend "Leaving Moses on the Freeway," an outstanding appropriation of the Ten Commandments for contemporary culture. I'd recommend anything by Douglas John Hall or Marcus Borg.

Willy, I would have hoped you had gotten the hint...

I'm very glad, by the way, that none of you named anything written by SPONG. LOL....or for that matter anything written by Bishop Hanson!

Cableguy, Marcus Borg is a Fellow of the Jesus Seminar.
From his autobiography:
"I do not believe that Christianity is the only way of salvation, or that the Bible is the revealed will of God, or that Jesus was the unique Son of God."

Now, Hall has some good stuff, I've never read anything from or about him that was problematic.

I have also heard good things about "Losing Moses on the Freeway". The only criticism I have heard about it is that it is a bit pietistic.

I'd still stick with City of God, though...

 

[Willy]

Do you mean "Losing Moses on the Freeway"?

yes, this is what I mean. I don't find it pietistic in the classical sense. But I would wish for Hedges a great understanding of grace. Nonetheless, he's asking the right questions, dealing with the right stuff. He's not dealing with issue as if the issue is posting the Commandments in public places. There is a much greater depth. I still would highly recommend Borg. He is less in your face than Spong, who still has very good things to say. But Borg is dealing with the right stuff and does it graciously.

 

[KEPLER]

yes, this is what I mean. I don't find it pietistic in the classical sense. But I would wish for Hedges a great understanding of grace. Nonetheless, he's asking the right questions, dealing with the right stuff. He's not dealing with issue as if the issue is posting the Commandments in public places. There is a much greater depth. I still would highly recommend Borg. He is less in your face than Spong, who still has very good things to say. But Borg is dealing with the right stuff and does it graciously.

"Graciously"... One onders how someone who denies the resurrection (possibly even denies the existence) of Christ can do anything "graciously".... Whence comes grace? Borg can certainly speak kindly, with an air of affability about him...but then,... even the devil can masquerade as an angel of light....

K

 

[cableguy]

I'd still stick with City of God, though...

I’m reading City of God off and on now. I also picked up “The Cost Of Discipleship” by Bonhoeffer. Of course I’m also reading the bible (Romans right now) and reading Luther’s Basic Theological Writings (edited by Timothy F. Lull.) His writing “The Estate of Marriage” is very interesting…

To many darn things I want to read, so little time. The problem with starting to take worship and theology seriously later in life is that you have a LOT of catching up to do.

 

[ByzantineDixie]

The problem with starting to take worship and theology seriously later in life is that you have a LOT of catching up to do.

Lot's of truth in these words...in my case I have this whole set of books to get through and that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface!!!

Of course then you Lutheran's have this set.

Regardless...either way...enough material to keep us off the streets.

Rose

 

[RedneckAnglican]

Lot's of truth in these words...in my case I have this whole set of books to get through and that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface!!!

Of course then you Lutheran's have this set.

Regardless...either way...enough material to keep us off the streets.

Rose

good gosh...I can't even get caught up on my Justice League...

 

[Willy]

"Graciously"... One onders how someone who denies the resurrection (possibly even denies the existence) of Christ can do anything "graciously".... Whence comes grace? Borg can certainly speak kindly, with an air of affability about him...but then,... even the devil can masquerade as an angel of light....

K

Oh my! That certainly is a helpful way of dealing with someone with whom you disagree or don't really know.

 

[Protoevangel]

"Graciously"... One onders how someone who denies the resurrection (possibly even denies the existence) of Christ can do anything "graciously".... Whence comes grace? Borg can certainly speak kindly, with an air of affability about him...but then,... even the devil can masquerade as an angel of light....

K

Yea, from what I've read, and heard, from him, he certianly seems to be a kind and warm and amiable person. However, his teaching is certianly not something I would reccomend to anyone. I must admit, he is a fine scholar, and has certianly surprised me with the depth of his thoughts and the eloquence of his words, but sadly, his words and knowlege are wasted in skepticism, and literal anti-christianity. He seems to glee in the fact that his words tear down the faith of weak believers. A true wolf in sheep's clothing.

Good post, K!

"... I do not see the Christian tradition as exclusively true, or the Bible as the unique and infallible revelation of God. ... It makes no historical sense to say, ‘Jesus was killed for the sins of the world.’ ... I am one of those Christians who does not believe in the virgin birth, nor in the star of Bethlehem, nor in the journeys of the wisemen, nor in the shepherds coming to the manger, as facts of history."
Marcus Borg, Jesus Seminar, Bible Review, December 1992

 

[IowaLutheran]

I would highly recommend The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions, which is sort of a debate between NT Wright and Borg on various Christological issues. Wright, as usual, does a great job of defending mainstream orthodoxy, and disses Borg's alternative Christianity in a firm, but respectful manner.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/00...f=pd_bbs_1/002-0457726-4837620?_encoding=UTF8

 

[cableguy]

Ah, I love my wife. She just let me order three books from Amazon.com. Let me see, I’m getting “Why I am a Lutheran, Jesus at the Center.” By Daniel Preus, “Poet and Peasant” and “Through Peasant’s Eyes” (combined together) by Kenneth E. Bailey, and the Tappert translation of the Book of Concord (I was going to get the Readers Addition, but thanks to a tip from you guys that there are going to be changes, I’ll skip it for now.) More books than I can probably handle, and there are so many more I want. Thanks guys and gals for the recommendations. Now, anybody have any tips on how to learn biblical Greek?

 

[SPALATIN]

Ah, I love my wife. She just let me order three books from Amazon.com. Let me see, I’m getting “Why I am a Lutheran, Jesus at the Center.” By Daniel Preus, “Poet and Peasant” and “Through Peasant’s Eyes” (combined together) by Kenneth E. Bailey, and the Tappert translation of the Book of Concord (I was going to get the Readers Addition, but thanks to a tip from you guys that there are going to be changes, I’ll skip it for now.) More books than I can probably handle, and there are so many more I want. Thanks guys and gals for the recommendations. Now, anybody have any tips on how to learn biblical Greek?

While Tappert is a good edtion of the BoC. There is also the Kolb/Wengert which came out in 2000 (?). This is not the Readers edition which is entirely different. Tappert probably cost less than KW though.

 

[xxconcrete_wings]

Wild At Heart by John Eldredge

Description: Dare to be the man God created you to be---passionate, adventurous, and free! In this provocative look at Christian manhood, Eldredge challenges you to actively pursue the dreams God has given you. Encouragement for every man who wants to walk the road least taken---and important insights for the woman who loves him! 224 pages long.

I haven't read it but I am in the middle of Captivating, the famale version of the book by John and his wife Stasi, and it's amazing.

 

[KEPLER]

Ah, I love my wife. She just let me order three books from Amazon.com. Let me see, I’m getting “Why I am a Lutheran, Jesus at the Center.” By Daniel Preus, “Poet and Peasant” and “Through Peasant’s Eyes” (combined together) by Kenneth E. Bailey, and the Tappert translation of the Book of Concord (I was going to get the Readers Addition, but thanks to a tip from you guys that there are going to be changes, I’ll skip it for now.) More books than I can probably handle, and there are so many more I want. Thanks guys and gals for the recommendations. Now, anybody have any tips on how to learn biblical Greek?

I envy you that you have never read Bailey before...the first time through is such an eye opening experience. Enjoy!

Kepler

(P.S....it's not something you read "cover to cover"...pick one of the parables and just read it through and chew on it a while. I suggest starting with either the parable from Chapter 15 (the combined "lost items" parables)...or the Good Samaritan. ChiRho posted a sermon a while back where his Pastor had clealry used Bailey's work on the Samaritan. Fantastic sermon, and If I can dig up the link, I'll post it again...or if ChiRho is lurking and reading, perhaps he can...)

 

[Edial]

Ah, I love my wife. She just let me order three books from Amazon.com. Let me see, I’m getting “Why I am a Lutheran, Jesus at the Center.” By Daniel Preus, “Poet and Peasant” and “Through Peasant’s Eyes” (combined together) by Kenneth E. Bailey, and the Tappert translation of the Book of Concord (I was going to get the Readers Addition, but thanks to a tip from you guys that there are going to be changes, I’ll skip it for now.) More books than I can probably handle, and there are so many more I want. Thanks guys and gals for the recommendations. Now, anybody have any tips on how to learn biblical Greek?

Yes. There are many beginner's books.
I'll need to get the title from home, if you wish.

However, one can never really learn Koine Greek in a semester or two.

I use Greek Lexicons based on Strong's numbers. They are great.
The software also makes these lexicons very, very user friendly.

Thanks,
Ed