Need a little more help on this topic

[Jenny30]

I'm having huge struggles in my mind and was hoping i could get additional help on this topic. It's hard for me to understand like how God created things, if that makes sense, my mind is always looking toward science when I don't want to and it's hard for my mind to understand that a living being created animals and human beings and the earth...it's ridiculous for me to really think about it, because there is no way we came in here by random chance, that seems ridiculous and by looking around us, it should be really easy for me to see that a creator created everything, but then on the other hand, it's hard for me to understand that God created everything...like for example it's easy for me to relate to a giraffe created a giraffe, because that is what we see with our own eye, but to imagine God creating a giraffe is really difficult for me, if that makes sense.
I'm sorry for for being such a bother with this topic, but I'm just having a really hard time. It's hard to relate/picture/ God, because my mind is continually thinking of a magic guy in the sky when I know it has to be more than that. I wish I could just shut my brain off for awhile with all the questions and put in all the things I need to know so I could be feeling better about all this.

 

[asiyreh]

Well the problem Jenny is there's a lot of confusion about this topic on both sides of the camp.

The problem springs from sciences definition of the word "Evolution."

Evolution is actually a construct of multiple scientific propositions.

However for the purpose of this talk we'll focus in on two.

Macro evolution and microevolution.

Let's give them new names so we can better understand what's going on.

Micro evolution = adaption
Macro = speciation

Adaption is a fact. It's accepted both by the scientific community and the Christian creationist community.

Take a wolf and imagine it as a computer code.
Now within that computer code is all the necessary instructions to create all the various types of dogs from a german shepherd to a handbag dog.

Understand though that it is a code. When we do science we use a certain amount of philosophy to make assumptions about things. One of the tools we use in science is - "inference to the best possible explanation."

Now if you saw an amazingly complex computer code, where would you most likely conclude it came from? A random
series of chances the odds of which would take me about a year to even begin to calculate, or an intelligent source.

Ah but the scientist will say natural selection. Well think about that word - selection.

Natural selection SELECTS from the information available and the most favorable traits get carried to the next generation.

BUT it "selects from what available to it.

What we object to is that new information can become available to the genome; and the wolf could become some new type.

This is not what we see in the fossil record. Assuming sciences time scale was correct for a second; what we see is massive preservation of animal types, throughout VAST periods of time.

No change in the type only variation within the theme.

We as Christians do agree with allot of the science and the stuff we don't agree with; the wight of evidence lays vastly, vastly, on our side. The extreme complexity and the very very delicate fine tuning of the creation scream intelligence. Screams Creator.

 

[now faith]

I'm having huge struggles in my mind and was hoping i could get additional help on this topic. It's hard for me to understand like how God created things, if that makes sense, my mind is always looking toward science when I don't want to and it's hard for my mind to understand that a living being created animals and human beings and the earth...it's ridiculous for me to really think about it, because there is no way we came in here by random chance, that seems ridiculous and by looking around us, it should be really easy for me to see that a creator created everything, but then on the other hand, it's hard for me to understand that God created everything...like for example it's easy for me to relate to a giraffe created a giraffe, because that is what we see with our own eye, but to imagine God creating a giraffe is really difficult for me, if that makes sense.
I'm sorry for for being such a bother with this topic, but I'm just having a really hard time. It's hard to relate/picture/ God, because my mind is continually thinking of a magic guy in the sky when I know it has to be more than that. I wish I could just shut my brain off for awhile with all the questions and put in all the things I need to know so I could be feeling better about all this.

We cannot fathom the power of God.

He simply spoke all matter into existence,let their be light he commanded and the universe exploded and matter became life.

All that is and ever was God made,things like Giraffes were simply for his pleasure.

BUT God is not a big life form in the sky.

He is a spirit whom is omnipresent and created and transcends time and space.

He in dwells all that have received Christ,and will not change.

We are created in his image,he has emotions just like us.
If not he would not have made the way for us to come before him.

God is love,it is his gift for us to know love,and to dwell in love for him and each other.

The best way to understand God,is to talk to him,ask for wisdom in his ways in the name of Jesus.

He will give you all you need,stay in the Word of God and you will find all that you may ask.p

 

[asiyreh]

Amen brother.

Pay close attention to what Now is saying here Jen, when he points out that God is not a man in the sky with a white beard.

God is probably best thought of in the context of an unembodied, all powerful, all knowing - mind.

The bible says God is spirit. You cannot measure God in height, width, breath, space or time. He is the uncaused causer, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, and enormously powerful.

Read more: Is the Cause of the Universe an Uncaused, Personal Creator of the Universe | Reasonable Faith

Also I just noticed your comment about the giraffe. God seems to have set all the necessary instructions into the universe and biological life to allow it to continue of it's own accord. This is what we mean when we say God "rested." We don't mean he needed a nap. Rather that he rested from his creating work. Thus the only giraffe God ever created was the first giraffes. Male and female, made he them.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

There is no such thing as macro and micro evolution - evolution is evolution.

I might add that evolution does not conflict with Christian faith as many Christians will atest to

 

[asiyreh]

*Sigh....

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

*Sigh....

Sorry to disappoint you, but your view point is not the only one!

And try learning about science before spouting "facts" which aren't true

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

There is no conflict Jenny30, God created through evolution.

 

[Khasilooluv]

Are you saying that you don't believe in Macro and Microevolution or that you really think Asiyreh made it up?

Because I can assure you it's not made up. I am a college student are macro/micro evolution was a focus in my Bio class. What was said was not made up.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

Are you saying that you don't believe in Macro and Microevolution or that you really think Asiyreh made it up?

Because I can assure you it's not made up. I am a college student are macro/micro evolution was a focus in my Bio class. What was said was not made up.

There is no division between the 2. Creationists like to make up false science. There is evolution end of, not macro and micro.

Yes I too know just a little bit about biology

 

[Khasilooluv]

I'm sorry but I would at least have to disagree about Microevolution. Happens everyday...
Now as for Macroevolution... I'd have to say I don't believe it either.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

You obviously don't understand the concept of evolution - there is only one type of evolution and that is evolution - macro and micro evolution is terminology brought in by creationists to try and justify their stance, there is no such thing as micro and macro evolution in real science.

Small changes occur over short periods of time, all these small changes add up to a big change over a longer period of time - that is evolution - not micro or macro evolution, just evolution.

 

[ChristianLife08]

There is no such thing as macro and micro evolution - evolution is evolution.

I might add that evolution does not conflict with Christian faith as many Christians will atest to

I'm sorry that's not true at all. this idea of macro and micro came about in the mid 1900's by a German zoologist/evolutionist. The reason many ignore this scientific observation is because it truly does reveal the faulty precepts of macroevolution my friend.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

I'm sorry that's not true at all. this idea of macro and micro came about in the mid 1900's by a German zoologist/evolutionist. The reason many ignore this scientific observation is because it truly does reveal the faulty precepts of macroevolution my friend.

What is your qualification in biology?

 

[ChristianLife08]

What is your qualification in biology?

years of study. an interesting topic about qualifications. please read.

Apologetics Press - "You Creationists are Not Qualified to Discuss Such Matters!"

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

years of study. an interesting topic about qualifications. please read.

Apologetics Press - "You Creationists are Not Qualified to Discuss Such Matters!"

Years of study, thats good, please reference your study sources so I also can study them, thanks.

 

[ChristianLife08]

Years of study, thats good, please reference your study sources so I also can study them, thanks.

With all respect, all those I've come across who demand qualifications right off the back are not willing to be honest with the facts given and with the other person. But instead arrogant. So, I will leave this be. That's why i encourage you to read the link I gave. May the Lord guide you in His ways and mercy.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

With all respect, all those I've come across who demand qualifications right off the back are not willing to be honest with the facts given and with the other person. But instead arrogant. So, I will leave this be. That's why i encourage you to read the link I gave. May the Lord guide you in His ways and mercy.

So you don't want to reveal your sources so I and others may study them, that speaks volumes about your claims

 

[Jenny30]

If I'm not mistaken I thought macroevolution was like the breeding of different dogs and that is why we have so many breeds, like cats, but it's still considered God's creation, but because they are still breeding within the same type of animal or am I incorrect?

 

[now faith]

There is no division between the 2. Creationists like to make up false science. There is evolution end of, not macro and micro.

Yes I too know just a little bit about biology

Species do not transform into other species,animals and humans evolve by adaptation.

Lol no biology major here,just a spirit filled believer.