Nebraska Man (Hesperopithecus haroldcookii)

[AV1611VET]

The Hindenburg.

You probably wont fly on an airplane, right?

Split Rock once made this thread for Dad and I:

Two Creationists take a Commercial Flight

AV1611VET: How do we know that the flight crew knows how to fly this plane?

Flight Attendant: They are trained experts and have been doing this for many years.

Dad: All because they are so-called experts doesn't mean they can ignore God's Word.

Flight Attendant: What does God's Word have to do with flying an airplane?

AV1611VET: I use my Boolean Standards to show that flying is against The Inerrant Word of God and The Documentation.

Flight Attendant: Are you talking about The Bible? Where does The Bible say that?

AV1611VET: "Thinking themselves to be wise they became fools."

Flight Attendant: What does that have to do with flying?

AV1611VET: Homo sapiens means "Wise Man,"; doesn't it? Since the flight crew are Wise Men they are really fools and God will show them they are fools by crashing the plane.

Flight Attendant: What???

Dad: How do these Ivory Tower so-called experts know they can fly this plane between here and the destination? What if the atmosphere between here and the destination is in a different state?

Flight Attendant: Different State?? What do you mean??

Dad: A different state. Like it was before "The Split."

Flight Attendant: What "Split?"

Dad: During the time of Peleg. To think differently, is anti-Bible hogwash and a fantasy!

Flight Attendant: What are you talking about?

Dad: You cannot prove that the space-time state between here and there is not different can you?

Flight Attendant: No, but we have never had any problem flying this route before..

Dad: Ha! You just ASSUME there is no difference now, because you assume the past is the key to the present. That is an Anti-God Lie, and thinking only within the box.. I refuse to accept it!!!

Flight Attendant Please, both of you take your seats!

AV1611VET: You just can't wait to ridicule me, even though I accept 95% of your "science!"

Dad: I just discovered that human flight is impossible! Amazing!!

Flight Attendant: Please, take your seats so we can take off! I promise it is safe!

AV1611VET: Oh yeah.. just like Thalidomide was a Wonder Drug before it was Plutoed!

Flight Attendant: Thalidomide?

AV1611VET: Sure, Thaldomide proves that your "science" changes with the flavor of the week!

Dad: Prove with your so called science that the state between here and there is the same! You can't!!!! Human flight is an anti-Bible lie! Amazing!

Flight Attendant: Get off this plane!!!

 

[durangodawood]

Split Rock once made this thread for Dad and I:

Two Creationists take a Commercial Flight

AV1611VET: How do we know that the flight crew knows how to fly this plane?

Flight Attendant: They are trained experts and have been doing this for many years.

Dad: All because they are so-called experts doesn't mean they can ignore God's Word.

Flight Attendant: What does God's Word have to do with flying an airplane?

AV1611VET: I use my Boolean Standards to show that flying is against The Inerrant Word of God and The Documentation.

Flight Attendant: Are you talking about The Bible? Where does The Bible say that?

AV1611VET: "Thinking themselves to be wise they became fools."

Flight Attendant: What does that have to do with flying?

AV1611VET: Homo sapiens means "Wise Man,"; doesn't it? Since the flight crew are Wise Men they are really fools and God will show them they are fools by crashing the plane.

Flight Attendant: What???

Dad: How do these Ivory Tower so-called experts know they can fly this plane between here and the destination? What if the atmosphere between here and the destination is in a different state?

Flight Attendant: Different State?? What do you mean??

Dad: A different state. Like it was before "The Split."

Flight Attendant: What "Split?"

Dad: During the time of Peleg. To think differently, is anti-Bible hogwash and a fantasy!

Flight Attendant: What are you talking about?

Dad: You cannot prove that the space-time state between here and there is not different can you?

Flight Attendant: No, but we have never had any problem flying this route before..

Dad: Ha! You just ASSUME there is no difference now, because you assume the past is the key to the present. That is an Anti-God Lie, and thinking only within the box.. I refuse to accept it!!!

Flight Attendant Please, both of you take your seats!

AV1611VET: You just can't wait to ridicule me, even though I accept 95% of your "science!"

Dad: I just discovered that human flight is impossible! Amazing!!

Flight Attendant: Please, take your seats so we can take off! I promise it is safe!

AV1611VET: Oh yeah.. just like Thalidomide was a Wonder Drug before it was Plutoed!

Flight Attendant: Thalidomide?

AV1611VET: Sure, Thaldomide proves that your "science" changes with the flavor of the week!

Dad: Prove with your so called science that the state between here and there is the same! You can't!!!! Human flight is an anti-Bible lie! Amazing!

Flight Attendant: Get off this plane!!!

Greatest Hits Vol II

"Plutoed". That was good.

So, airplanes.... you afraid the science might change and you fall from the sky?

 

[AV1611VET]

Greatest Hits Vol II

"Plutoed". That was good.

So, airplanes.... you afraid the science might change and you fall from the sky?

Split made that thread in jest.

Here's the original thread: Two creationists take a Commercial flight

 

[durangodawood]

Split made that thread in jest.

Here's the original thread: Two creationists take a Commercial flight

Sure. But I'm asking you, not her.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure. But I'm asking you, not her.

I'm not afraid of planes falling out of the sky because science changed.

The last time I let science strike fear in me was their Y2K bologna, to which I made up my mind once and for all that I would not let science reports get me down.

I've since become stronger in my faith, and I realize science doesn't have the final say in matters.

God does.

 

[durangodawood]

I'm not afraid of planes falling out of the sky because science changed.

The last time I let science strike fear in me was their Y2K bologna, to which I made up my mind once and for all that I would not let science reports get me down.

I've since become stronger in my faith, and I realize science doesn't have the final say in matters.

God does.

I dont believe Y2K was a science matter so much as a business / engineering issue.

And they did a heck of a lot of work to make sure the bad outcomes didnt happen. Its not like they played hands-off and just waited to see if they were wrong.

Science isnt supposed to have a "last word" on how things play out. Thats up to natural forces, human engineering, and/or God if you believe so. Science is just an effort to learn how things work. Its always incomplete - but we keep adding to the reliable portions of it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Does it bother you that what you're defending has such a checkered track record?

Does it bother you that the technology you use every day, and to regularly access & comment on these forums, is the product of such a checkered track record?

Does it bother you that science works?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I dont believe Y2K was a science matter so much as a business / engineering issue.

And they did a heck of a lot of work to make sure the bad outcomes didnt happen. Its not like they played hands-off and just waited to see if they were wrong.

Indeed - at the bank for whose software department I worked at the time, we had a team of experienced developers working round-the-clock shifts for weeks to fix the problem. They ended up rewriting great chunks of the ancient core system for which there was no documentation and no one still there who knew how it worked, and made a fortune in bonuses and overtime.

 

[durangodawood]

Indeed - at the bank for whose software department I worked at the time, we had a team of experienced developers working round-the-clock shifts for weeks to fix the problem. They ended up rewriting great chunks of the ancient core system for which there was no documentation and no one still there who knew how it worked, and made a fortune in bonuses and overtime.

Right.

I makes me a little ill when people call out "hoax!" in total ignorance of the huge effort expended to make sure the worst didnt actually happen.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I makes me a little ill when people call out "hoax!" in total ignorance of the huge effort expended to make sure the worst didnt actually happen.

Yeah - no doubt that's also what would have happened if we'd managed to reduce the amount of CO₂ being pumped into the atmosphere... Looks like we're already in a position to say "I told you so!"

 

[durangodawood]

Right.

I makes me a little ill when people call out "hoax!" in total ignorance of the huge effort expended to make sure the worst didnt actually happen.

On the other hand....

A lot of these people were addicted to the whole nexus of "alternative" media, which amped up the inevitability of doom.

Rapture Ready, anyone?

 

[AV1611VET]

Does it bother you that the technology you use every day, and to regularly access & comment on these forums, is the product of such a checkered track record?

Not one bit.

But you won't see me use it to blaspheme the Creator of the universe either.

Does it bother you that science works?

Not one bit.

I realize science works ... to a point.

Then it hits a roadblock that it cannot pass.

 

[AV1611VET]

Right.

I makes me a little ill when people call out "hoax!" in total ignorance of the huge effort expended to make sure the worst didnt actually happen.

Yup.

Science "fixed the problem" just in time, didn't they?

When I woke up the day after Y2K, I found my toaster working!

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah - no doubt that's also what would have happened if we'd managed to reduce the amount of CO₂ being pumped into the atmosphere... Looks like we're already in a position to say "I told you so!"

Pray tell me, how did you guys manage to reduce the amount of CO₂ being pumped into the atmosphere?

 

[AV1611VET]

On the other hand....

A lot of these people were addicted to the whole nexus of "alternative" media, which amped up the inevitability of doom.

Who made us sensitive to these "Malthusian catastrophes" in the first place?

Who got us "addicted" to a comet, asteroid, overpopulation, running out of [place resource here], ecological imbalance, or WW3 being just around the corner?

When Science Insane invaded Kuwait in 1990, scientists said that he burning their oil fields would wipe out our planet.

They had charts, graphs, and videos showing how a massive cloud would block out the sun and do this, that, and the other things to us.

Well, guess what?

Insane took "Hanoi Jane's" intel and ran with it -- setting the oil fields afire.

Aaaaand guess what?

Science eventually put those fires out.

Aaaaand guess what?

We're still here!

How can that be, when science put the bug in Insane's ear as to how to effectively wipe us out?

Science and the Error of Balaam walk hand-in-hand at times, don't they?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Insane took "Hanoi Jane's" intel and ran with it -- setting the oil fields afire.

Is there anything you wanted to discuss about the erstwhile Nebraska Man (Hesperopithecus haroldcookii)?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is there anything you wanted to discuss about the erstwhile Nebraska Man (Hesperopithecus haroldcookii)?

Sorry.

I got off track for a moment.

Re your question, a picture is worth a thousand words, isn't it?

I'd like academia to admit they didn't take their scientific method to its final conclusion, and the result was a prematurely-labeled discovery.

I'd like to see academia admit, for once, that they are trigger happy when it comes to labeling their discoveries and lab products.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I'd like academia to admit they didn't take their scientific method to its final conclusion

I don't think that's a thing. Even in the 6th grade science lessons about 'the scientific method', there is no square marked "final conclusion".

Quite the contrary, what they do often show is a cyclic pattern, as we continually test our conclusions and refine our theories with new evidence and new questions.

and the result was a prematurely-labeled discovery.

That was certainly true in this case. This was admitted in 1927.

I'd like to see academia admit, for once, that they are trigger happy when it comes to labeling their discoveries and lab products.

I don't think that's the case. Certainly not for 'academia' or 'scientists' in general.

 

[sjastro]

Who made us sensitive to these "Malthusian catastrophes" in the first place?

Who got us "addicted" to a comet, asteroid, overpopulation, running out of [place resource here], ecological imbalance, or WW3 being just around the corner?

When Science Insane invaded Kuwait in 1990, scientists said that he burning their oil fields would wipe out our planet.

They had charts, graphs, and videos showing how a massive cloud would block out the sun and do this, that, and the other things to us.

Well, guess what?

Insane took "Hanoi Jane's" intel and ran with it -- setting the oil fields afire.

Aaaaand guess what?

Science eventually put those fires out.

Aaaaand guess what?

We're still here!

How can that be, when science put the bug in Insane's ear as to how to effectively wipe us out?

Science and the Error of Balaam walk hand-in-hand at times, don't they?

Evidence indicating why Christians have a bad name in some circles.
As a human interest story some of my posts here have been quoted in forums such as phys.org with the reference of also being a Christian as if this is somehow relevant.
The implication is Christians can be seen as anti-intellectual, anti-science brutes and for a Christian to demonstrate otherwise is seen as a surprise to some.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evidence indicating why Christians have a bad name in some circles.

LOL -- maybe it's because of the first six letters?

I'm surprised we're allowed to walk on the courthouse lawns!

As a human interest story some of my posts here have been quoted in forums such as phys.org with the reference of also being a Christian as if this is somehow relevant.

I'm sure it does establish relevancy with them.

Science breeds hostility ... and hostility needs a target.

The implication is Christians can be seen as anti-intellectual, anti-science brutes and for a Christian to demonstrate otherwise is seen as a surprise to some.

Surprise! Surprise!

Yes, I'm sure born-again academians -- called to be academians by God -- can represent a moral minority within the scientific infrastructure.

Perhaps these guys took you as an "anti-intellectual, anti-science brute" because they've been reading too many of Estrid's posts?