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The Bible says that there are good spirits and evil spirits. As such, evil spirits would also have the ability to give people NDE's that falsely talk about Hell, in order to prevent them from realizing the Lord's love for all people.


1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


Because also those deceitful spirits would know that the NDE would get published and scare more people, causing more suffering to people and preventing them from understanding the true magnitude of God's love, which is extended to everyone!



1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons



When someone is about to die, they are very vulnerable. People remember most these experiences. For a demon, this would be the perfect opportunity to plant a false doctrine (ECT) in their head to terrorize them. Because people who are scared of Hell, they don't do things out of love, but out of fear.



1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.



And then this person could tell their friends and families about the horrifying experience, thus spreading this fear.



This same thing can be applied to dreams. Of course, there can be times where prophets and citizens are warned through these visions by the Lord. But there can also be "nightmares", which are just there to terrorize you, maybe because you watched a scary movie, have an intense phobia (like scrupulosity) or had a terrifying encounter. Those would not come from the Lord, but from your mental mind, the brain, getting events from your memory and thinking about them while you sleep.



And as is the case with many mental illnesses, like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, people can have intrusive thoughts, which are horrible ideas that they would never do, come into their mind and terrorize them.



Joel 2:28

“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.



Ecclesiastes 5:7

For when dreams increase and words grow many, there is vanity; but God is the one you must fear. [fear here meaning respect, reverence] [dreams and words meaning those which are not useful]



Dreams and NDE are like, the Internet, for spirits. Anyone can post whatever they want on the Internet, whether or not it's true. Good spirits can post the truth, and bad spirits can post lies. You can get a call on your phone from a friend, wishing you good tidings, or from a scam caller, trying to steal your credit card information.



An NDE is essentially a thought you have before death, just more intense because you're in the process of dying.



A dream is essentially a thought you have while you're not awake, just more intense because you're in the process of losing consciousness.



And what are thoughts? Just ideas in your head. Anyone can come up with an idea, regardless of it's good or bad. That is why, the Bible tells us to not lean on our own flawed understanding, on our own heart which has been hurt and injured by sin, but instead, rest on His Holy Words, the scripture, for advice.



Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.



1 Timothy 4:7

Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. [silly myths meaning ECT from Greek mythology] Rather train yourself for godliness;
 
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The Bible says that there are good spirits and evil spirits. As such, evil spirits would also have the ability to give people NDE's that falsely talk about Hell, in order to prevent them from realizing the Lord's love for all people.
How....in dreams or a real NDE ......the talking thing has got me confused
 
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Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. [silly myths meaning ECT from Greek mythology] Rather train yourself for godliness;
If this is true why was there a belief in a place of fiery eternal punishment among Jews before and during the time of Jesus which they called both Gehinnom and sheol written as Gehenna and Hades in the 225BC LXX and the NT.
Link to my previous post with documentation.
 
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When some people experience an NDE, like about an ECT Hell, they tell their friends and family about it, because they think it's true. But these visions could easily be influenced by their own personal baseless fears, any scary movie they watched, etc.

John 17:2 "As God gave Jesus authority over ALL FLESH, that he should give eternal life to as many as God have Him."
 
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among Jews before and during the time of Jesus
The Jews believe in Sheol (Hebrew), which is the realm of the dead. It's where all the dead people sleep.
PSALM 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there.

And the Lord promises us that He will not leave anyone in Sheol forever.
Psalm 16:10 You will not leave my soul in Sheol.
 
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Wake up, HSong.
Before it's Too late.
 
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Because also those deceitful spirits would know that the NDE would get published and scare more people, causing more suffering to people and preventing them from understanding the true magnitude of God's love, which is extended to everyone!
I find it interesting that both Christianity and Satanism hold a doctrine of hell.
If hell was real, you would think Satanists would want to deny it. Nope.
They put a different twist on it, but essentially the same. (fear)
 
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The Bible says that there are good spirits and evil spirits. As such, evil spirits would also have the ability to give people NDE's that falsely talk about Hell, in order to prevent them from realizing the Lord's love for all people.
What about NDEs that don't include hell?
Can we really categorically dismiss all NDEs?
 
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Agree ...
 
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Psalm 16:10 refers ONLY to the Messiah NOT all mankind.
Acts 2:23-27
(23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
(24) Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
(25) For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
(26) Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
(27) Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 2:31
(31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.​

 
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There is no expert for this. Yes we know Satan can appear as a angel of light and can give dreams and visions not of God. When a person dies does he Satan have the right the authority to then show someone a reality that is not real? Were talking after this life and there is no verse for this. One verse says "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,"

"When some people experience an NDE, like about an ECT Hell, they tell their friends and family about it, because they think it's true. But these visions could easily be influenced by their own personal baseless fears, any scary movie they watched, etc."

This is nothing more then speculation. We focus on what is and never run with some experience or dream vision for that matter. We know we will not taste death but will be with the Father.. as Christ said to the thief today you will be with me in paradise.
 
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Could be with some. And perhaps not with others.
 
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Is this what seems to you reasonable, or is this doctrine?
 
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The reason they believed in an eternal fiery hell is the same reason they cast their babies into the hot furnace of the demon "god" Baal, persecuted the poor and widows, and crucified their Messiah - because they were in darkness and not filled with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. In other words - they were Jewish pagans.
 
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That is false interpretation. Psalm 139:8 applies only to the psalmist who wrote it. Notice Ps 139:8 says "If I make my bed in hell" NOT "if all men make their bed in hell." And Ps 16:10 says "will not leave MY soul in hell" NOT "all souls."
And I know that to be true because God, Himself, said to disobedient Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 13:14 "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them."
 
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And they will spend an eternity in a place of fiery eternal punishment which they called both Gehinnom and sheol, written in the 225 B.C. LXX and the N.T as Gehenna and Hades.
Speaking of Baal. There is an old hymn "Sweet Beulah Land." The term "Beulah" transliterates the pagan word
בָּעַל or Ba'al.
 
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And then this person could tell their friends and families about the horrifying experience, thus spreading this fear.
God has never ever done that to me. He always shows me the way He wants things to be and encourages me that I can be the person He created me to be. He is always positive and encouraging. We are told in Psalm 139 16 that He writes the book of our life at or before our conception. It is in our DNA. He gives us angels to help us to be the people He declares that we are. It is important to be positive. God does not want us to grumble and complain.
 
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While i definitely agree that there dreams from hell meant to scare people....hell itself is real. Trust the bible on that one
 
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We are told in Psalm 139 16 that He writes the book of our life at or before our conception. It is in our DNA.
You should re-read ps 139. It's talking about the days of formation in the womb, not David's whole life.
 
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