Nazarenes

[SuperBunny]

I found a thread here that stopped the end of January about Nazarenes versus Messianic Jews. I am confused. Is there two Nazarenes groups? One is Church of the Nazarene and one is a Messianic Jewish Nazarene branch? Can anyone explain?

 

[Bulldog]

Church of the Nazarene is a protestant church http://www.nazarene.org

And then there's Nazarene Jews http://www.nazarene.net

 

[SuperBunny]

Okay but is there also a Nazarene Messianic Jewish too? A third group with Nazarene in the name? Only this is chrisitan but not like the Nazarene protestant church?

 

[Bulldog]

Okay but is there also a Nazarene Messianic Jewish too? A third group with Nazarene in the name? Only this is chrisitan but not like the Nazarene protestant church?

Nzarene Jews do believe in Yeshua. They are the second link I posted.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

Please be very careful with www.Nazarene.net. This site is an interprise run by James Trimm, who is known also as Dr. James Scott Trimm, and also as Rabbi Yosef Choen and a few more names. There is a lot of reasons to question his methods and even his credentials. The man seems to be operating some sort of scheme to sell his books and Messinic version of the bible and make a bunch of money. I only ask you to check things out first because he does not seem to be a real messianic and may even be an undercover Morman.
Do a Google search on James Trimm, and read some of the information there,

Charles in Florida

 

[simchat_torah]

As far as James Trimm's Nazarene group... there are several others that use this name today, not just Trimm. I don't think I've really found any of the Nazarene/Netzarim groups to be quite in line with normative Messianic Judaism.

While historically the early believers were Netzarim, and technically today, many orthodox messianic congregations could be considered under that title... there really isn't a true representation of the first century believers.

my 2 sheckels.
yafet

 

[simchat_torah]

p.s. I don't think that James Trimm has anything to do with the Mormons today. If I'm not mistaken, that is where he came from in his past, but that is certainly not where he stands today.

Most people have a problem with Trimm for a few reasons:
1) His credentials are in question.
2) He denies the deity of the Messiah.
3) He is a gentile who proposes himself to be a Jew.

As far as his teachings are concerned, I haven't seen anyone yet adequately challenge them. I have seen people challenge his character, and I think for the most part they are right.

Just to be safe, he and his group are probably something you would want to avoid.

I have studied the Netzarim a great deal, took some online classes through his yeshivah, and even own his bible. But I would not reccomend anyone to delve into it at this point. It really is kind of a mess with all of the accusations and charges being brought against him and his group, and for one's own character's sake, I would say avoid.

shalom,
yafet

 

[ShirChadash]

I have studied the Netzarim a great deal, took some online classes through his yeshivah, and even own his bible. But I would not reccomend anyone to delve into it at this point. It really is kind of a mess with all of the accusations and charges being brought against him and his group, and for one's own character's sake, I would say avoid.

shalom,
yafet

I asked Trimm once in a post to a Yahoo group of his, whether he was by any chance connected in any way with mormonism, espoused mormon teaching, etc. His answer was an unequivocal "no". But it did seem to me he does a whole lot of mixing "truths" and proofs from his sources (which include a lot of mormon texts, iykwim).

I can say in agreement with you S_T, the groups he runs are quite a mess, and the whole discussion around and around in circles about whether he is truthful, whether his accusers are engaged in Lashon HaRa, also makes things very confusing and messy. Oy. I left all of the groups I was in of his, (a while ago, now) yet I get invitations to join a new one almost weekly from him to my yahoo email.

*shrug*

 

[simchat_torah]

The confusion comes because Trimm used to be involved in some sort of Mormon doctrine. However, since articles on the internet often lack dates, etc... many people confuse this with current philosophies, etc.

 

[ShirChadash]

See why I was confused! LOL. :o

 

[simchat_torah]

btw Zemmy, I love your new avatar.

Seems like everyone is getting a new avvy lately. I have had mine for a few years now, and I doubt I'll ever change it. I use it on all the forums and online thingies I visit.

 

[ShirChadash]

TY! Henaynei filled me in on my other one I had a few days ago ("pssssst., it's NOT a nicely veiled woman at the Wall!" Harumph! But it was a beautiful picture of an observant Jewish MAN in a full tallit ... but since I am not a male... and I don't wear a tallit... I thought I would get me a different av LOL -- hence the one you see now). Okay, hoping I don't get this wrong -- is your av of the kabbalah, S_T?

 

[Hix]

I wasnt planning on changing mine either but everyone thought I was a girl! Must have been the pink shirt he was wearing.....and nobody better say it was becuase I act like one >_> lol

BTW Yafet, do many people on all the places know that your avatar is the Sefirot on the Tree of life?

Oh and Yes thats a great new avatar Zem!
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[ShirChadash]

"you look like one, you act like one!"



Sorry! I'm just kidding, I couldn't resist LOL!

HEY, so I am right -- S_T's avvy is a representation of Kabbalah?

I got my last couple of av's from www.ask-jesus.org/ and I love 'em! Browse around there a bit -- they have the most awesome Messianic Graphics.