Nature of Christ

[StormyOne]

So, the people who did know Him and were inspired by God to write didn't know him?

no indication that those who knew him actually authored the writings you are referring to....

 

[djconklin]

So, the people who did know Him and were inspired by God to write didn't know him?

no indication that those who knew him actually authored the writings you are referring to....

Matthew and John did, Luke talked to eyewitnesses, Mark recorded the testimony of Peter who also knew Him.

 

[StormyOne]

Matthew and John did, Luke talked to eyewitnesses, Mark recorded the testimony of Peter who also knew Him.

and you know this how? Did you talk to Matthew or John? Did you ask Mark what Peter told him to write? Since you did not, there is no way you can know that those men wrote what has been attributed to them.... especially since all of this happened 40 yrs after the fact.... and if you did interview the above men please accept my apology for suggesting that you had not....

 

[Pythons]

and you know this how? Did you talk to Matthew or John? Did you ask Mark what Peter told him to write? Since you did not, there is no way you can know that those men wrote what has been attributed to them.... especially since all of this happened 40 yrs after the fact.... and if you did interview the above men please accept my apology for suggesting that you had not....

Forgive me if I've not understood what you are saying when I directly ask if you doubt the "Authinticity" of the Synod of Hippo?

 

[StormyOne]

Forgive me if I've not understood what you are saying when I directly ask if you doubt the "Authinticity" of the Synod of Hippo?

who made it "authentic?" those in power decided how the story was going to be told...

 

[Pythons]

who made it "authentic?" those in power decided how the story was going to be told...

A Christian, in the historic sense would say that God made it authentic through His Established Religious Authority. Moses had no authority on his own, had peanut-buttered his lofty position in Egypt and wasn't that well thought of by the C.O.I. God gave Moses his teeth and claws because a man in Moses' shape would never have escaped tending sheep and goats to become one of the most well known people in history without God.

 

[StormyOne]

A Christian, in the historic sense would say that God made it authentic through His Established Religious Authority. Moses had no authority on his own, had peanut-buttered his lofty position in Egypt and wasn't that well thought of by the C.O.I. God gave Moses his teeth and claws because a man in Moses' shape would never have escaped tending sheep and goats to become one of the most well known people in history without God.

thank you for sharing, our views are different when it comes to this issue to..... take care...

 

[Pythons]

thank you for sharing, our views are different when it comes to this issue to..... take care...

No problem, thank you for sharing as well... On another line, do you consider yourself Adventist?

 

[sentipente]

A Christian, in the historic sense would say that God made it authentic through His Established Religious Authority. Moses had no authority on his own, had peanut-buttered his lofty position in Egypt and wasn't that well thought of by the C.O.I. God gave Moses his teeth and claws because a man in Moses' shape would never have escaped tending sheep and goats to become one of the most well known people in history without God.

I am sure you realize that this is all made-up. It is your right to believe it.

 

[StormyOne]

No problem, thank you for sharing as well... On another line, do you consider yourself Adventist?

yep.... a very liberal one.... however we are more than what we are labeled..... as Burke has suggested:

"If any given terminology is a reflection of reality, by its very nature as a terminology it must also be a selection of reality; and to this extent it must function also as a deflection of reality."

 

[Pythons]

I am sure you realize that this is all made-up. It is your right to believe it.

Moses is made up? Or are you suggesting that God didn't work through Moses and the priesthood in the O.T. and through the Apostles and Church in the NT?

 

[sentipente]

Moses is made up? Or are you suggesting that God didn't work through Moses and the priesthood in the O.T. and through the Apostles and Church in the NT?

I was referring to the interpretation given to the life of Moses.

 

[Pythons]

Originally Posted by pythons

Because Jesus is a "Divine Person" He cannot be the subject of sin.
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Originally Posted by djConklin

Why?
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Originally Posted by pythons

Because Jesus is God and it's metaphysically impossible for God to sin. Sacred Scripture to follow.
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Originally Posted by Psalm 5, 4

For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
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Originally Posted by Deut 32,4

He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: A GOD OF TRUTH and without Iniquity, just and right is He.
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Originally Posted by Isaiah 6,3

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of Hosts: the whole earth is full of His Glory.
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Holy (Kadosh = exempted from sin). The above is only the tip of the iceburg. The Divine Logos became man without ceasing to be God thus Jesus was born w/out sin. Consider man through "the Old Adam".


Originally Posted by Isaiah 64,6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
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Originally Posted by Psalm 51,5

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my Mother conceive me.
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The above two Scriptures demonstrate that a person is born "into" sin. Jesus was obviously NOT because God is without iniquity. Adam was created without sin then sinned causing every person after him to be shaped in iniquity and born into sin. For Jesus to be born without sin and not shaped in iniquity "inside His Mother" then His Mother was without sin as a result of a special favor from God.


Originally Posted by djConklin

In what way was Christ's human nature like ours.
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In "all ways" EXCEPT FOR SIN.



Originally Posted by djConklin

New questions:

1) What does it mean to be the socond Adam?

2) What does it mean to condemn sin in the flesh?



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#1 means that through Christ all are made pure as if Adam had "never" sinned. Through Adam every child born "was shaped in iniquity and born into sin" and through the second Adam all are made "pure" and can stand in front of God without fault.

#2 means that all the worlds sins were "placed" on Jesus who while born in the flesh wasn't shaped in iniquity nor born in sin yet suffered temptations like us without having sinned. This is all Trinitarian 101 stuff for Catholics.