Naturalism

[lesliedellow]

Some believe the Antichrist will come from the EU.

The rest are sure he will come from the US.

 

[AV1611VET]

The rest are sure he will come from the US.

Perhaps they need to study Daniel 2 a little closer, eh?

 

[Shemjaza]

Perhaps they need to study Daniel 2 a little closer, eh?

I just read through Daniel 2, and i'm not sure where you get the EU from. Can you explain it?

 

[lesliedellow]

I just read through Daniel 2, and i'm not sure where you get the EU from. Can you explain it?

People as obsessed with eschatology, as American evangelicals seem to be, have never been short of imagination.

 

[AV1611VET]

I just read through Daniel 2, and i'm not sure where you get the EU from. Can you explain it?

Look at v42.

Those "ten toes" are ten nations that came from the split up of the Roman Empire.

 

[AV1611VET]

People as obsessed with eschatology, as American evangelicals seem to be, have never been short of imagination.

Eschatology ain't my bag: creationism is.

 

[lesliedellow]

Look at v42.

Those "ten toes" are ten nations that came from the split up of the Roman Empire.

Ah yes, well of course it is absolutely obvious that the break up of the Roman Empire in the late fifth century is directly related to the formation of the EU in the twentieth century. I see it all now.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah yes, well of course it is absolutely obvious that the break up of the Roman Empire in the late fifth century is directly related to the formation of the EU in the twentieth century. I see it all now.

Notice Babylon is pwned by Medo-Persia.

Medo-Persia is pwned by Greece.

Greece is pwned by Rome.

But Rome isn't pwned ... it divides in two.

Then come the ten toes.

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
Daniel 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

 

[lesliedellow]

Notice Babylon is pwned by Medo-Persia.

Medo-Persia is pwned by Greece.

Greece is pwned by Rome.

But Rome isn't pwned ... it divides in two.

Then come the ten toes.

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
Daniel 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Mr AV's logic is all his own. No mere mortal can hope to follow it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mr AV's logic is all his own.

I beg your pardon?

No mere mortal can hope to follow it.

Why don't you Google it, scientist, and find out for yourself?

Don't just take my word for it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The EU started with 6 countries and now has 28, although I suppose if you picked your time carefully, you could find a time when there were 10... but it seems pointless.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Notice Babylon is pwned by Medo-Persia.

Medo-Persia is pwned by Greece.

Greece is pwned by Rome.

But Rome isn't pwned ... it divides in two.

Then come the ten toes.

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
Daniel 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

There are countless ways to reinterpret vague prophecies. Nostradamus was a past master at it. Some of his prophecies were 'fulfilled' several times. An overly vague prophesy, such as the one that you cited, is a failed prophecy because it is not specific enough.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are countless ways to reinterpret vague prophecies.

You mean like this one?

1 Kings 13:2 Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

I love what Adam Clarke says about it:

This is one of the most remarkable and most singular prophecies in the Old Testament. It here most circumstantially foretells a fact which took place three hundred and forty years after the prediction; a fact which was attested by the two nations. The Jews, in whose behalf this prophecy was delivered, would guard it most sacredly; and it was the interest of the Israelites, against whom it was levelled, to impugn its authenticity and expose its falsehood, had this been possible. This prediction not only showed the knowledge of God, but his power. He gave, as it were, this warning to idolatry, that it might be on its guard, and defend itself against this Josiah whenever a person of that name should be found sitting on the throne of David; and no doubt it was on the alert, and took all prudent measures for its own defence; but all in vain, for Josiah, in the eighteenth year of his reign, literally accomplished this prophecy, as we may read, 2Ki 23:15-20.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mean like this one?

1 Kings 13:2 Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

I love what Adam Clarke says about it:

This is one of the most remarkable and most singular prophecies in the Old Testament. It here most circumstantially foretells a fact which took place three hundred and forty years after the prediction; a fact which was attested by the two nations. The Jews, in whose behalf this prophecy was delivered, would guard it most sacredly; and it was the interest of the Israelites, against whom it was levelled, to impugn its authenticity and expose its falsehood, had this been possible. This prediction not only showed the knowledge of God, but his power. He gave, as it were, this warning to idolatry, that it might be on its guard, and defend itself against this Josiah whenever a person of that name should be found sitting on the throne of David; and no doubt it was on the alert, and took all prudent measures for its own defence; but all in vain, for Josiah, in the eighteenth year of his reign, literally accomplished this prophecy, as we may read, 2Ki 23:15-20.

Yep, so vague as to be all but meaningless. And of course this was a prophesy of Josiah at best, not Jesus:

Josiah - Wikipedia

Excessively vague and the wrong person. Not a prophesy of Jesus.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yep, so vague as to be all but meaningless.

Roger dodger!

Science truly is myopic, isn't it?

Is this the consensus of opinion among geologists; that the Josiah prophecy is vague?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Roger dodger!

Science truly is myopic, isn't it?

Is this the consensus of opinion among geologists; that the Josiah prophecy is vague?

There was no dodging. You picked a failed example. And your false claim at the end indicates that you know that you failed. Let's try to be just a little more honest.

 

[AV1611VET]

Let's try to be just a little more honest.

I doubt you'd recognize it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I doubt you'd recognize it.

Another fail on your part.