NATO allies are laughing at Trump

[LostMarbels]

The resistance you find would be to having the government forcing people to pray, or schools forcing the children to pray, or having Christian references in official proceedings as this gives the perception that your country welcomes Christians and not others.

Ok.... I was only originally stating that Trump standing against the globalists involves many spiritual powers, and those powers have a tendency to mock and jeer at Trump. And that this is a spiritual battle we are in. A response to the OP as to why Trump is laughed at.

No one is talking about forcing anyone into doing anything. Spiritual is not physical. Having Christ as Godhead over America is not going to change our constitution. In the carnal world people will still have the freedom of religion. I was only stating I pray for God's will.

Christ wasn't born in USA and cannot run for office.

That actually got you a chuckle.

 

[LostMarbels]

I never said you made such a claim, but such claims frequently emerge from the Christian right, even from the leadership, and it makes us suspicious.

Im speaking my own mind neither left or right. What we are witnessing, right here, talk of knocking off of pedestals and stuff is the same Grrrrr... or whatnot that wants Trump out of office. There is a very real anger, I almost want to call it a hatred, at the thought that more traditionally liberal/left leaning ideals are at a very real risk of being replaced by a more conservatively Christian America.

 

[Speedwell]

So why can't we call it that? Instead of calling it protecting religious freedoms?

I am pretty certain being knocked off of a perceived pedestal, has nothing at all to do with the protection of religious freedoms.

Sounds like a debasement of Christianity to garner perceived freedoms of another group to me.

No, just reducing Evangelical Protestants to the same level as everyone else.

 

[LostMarbels]

QFT. As a Christian, I'm strongly opposed to an evangelical Christian theocracy being set up in this country. I would fight it tooth and nail. I have encountered some evangelicals over the years who expressed the desire to set up such a theocracy in America, which included imprisoning LGBT people, outlawing non-Christian religions, and revoking the right to vote for women and minorities.

All I am saying is stop trying to uproot my life so others can live theirs. Others can go live their life. Stop trying to destroy everything I hold dear. They do not have to destroy every aspect of conservative Christianity to live their lives.

 

[Speedwell]

Im speaking my own mind neither left or right. What we are witnessing, right here, talk of knocking off of pedestals and stuff is the same Grrrrr... or whatnot that wants Trump out of office. There is a very real anger, I almost want to call it a hatred, at the thought that more traditionally liberal/left leaning ideals are at a very real risk of being replaced by a more conservatively Christian America.

Well, if you've got the votes, go ahead and do it. But what I am hearing is that you think you've got some sort of right to it.

 

[LostMarbels]

No, just reducing Evangelical Protestants to the same level as everyone else.

You don't have that authority. Not gonna happen. Not yet anyways.

 

[stevil]

Ok.... I was only originally stating that Trump standing against the globalists involves many spiritual powers, and those powers have a tendency to mock and jeer at Trump. And that this is a spiritual battle we are in. A response to the OP as to why Trump is laughed at.

I have no ability to see or hear what is happening in the spiritual realm, so I can't really know if spiritual powers are mocking or jeering at Trump. Is Trump of interest to spiritual powers????
I know that here on earth there are many people that mock, jeer or laugh at Trump, but so what? It isn't heretical to laugh at Trump is it?

Having Christ as Godhead over America is not going to change our constitution.

How do people vote for a godhead?
How do people know if there is a godhead in place?
If stuff is happening in the spiritual realm and no-one can see it, hear it, touch it or even know about it, well, you aren't going to get any resistance to it are you?

In the carnal world people will still have the freedom of religion. I was only stating I pray for God's will.

You are entitled to pray. Why do you feel the need to tell everyone what you pray about?
I personally don't believe your prayers will affect anything other than your innerself. It would be as effective as you writing your own wishes about the future in your own private diary and keeping the diary in a private place. So, I have no concerns or worries about any of your prayers. Pray for whatever you want.

 

[Speedwell]

All I am saying is stop trying to uproot my life so others can live theirs. Others can go live their life. Stop trying to destroy everything I hold dear. They do not have to destroy every aspect of conservative Christianity to live their lives.

OK, so answer stevil's question:

What special privileges (if any) do you want Christians to have then?
What is it that you are worried that in USA that Christians cannot do?

Be as specific as you can.

 

[Bobber]

If all they wanted was an equal voice then there would be no issue. But the fact that you use "Christian" to stand for a minority of them is evidence that you may want something more.

Don't be silly. You're the one who stated, "That's what turns the Christian Right...." You identified a certain people group. I was asking why they likewise don't have an equal voice and a right to speak. Are they not citizen of the country like everyone else?

 

[Speedwell]

You don't have that authority. Not gonna happen. Not yet anyways.

Why should it not? Why is Evangelical Protestantism superior to any other branch of Christianity?

 

[LostMarbels]

Well, if you've got the votes, go ahead and do it. But what I am hearing is that you think you've got some sort of right to it.

I have the right to my beliefs. The practice of my religion. The freedom of my own speech. And I do not have to relinquish that just because others think my way of life needs to be torn down off of a pedestal or debased.

And I can vote for a president you cannot stand into office if I so chose.

People are still not grasping that I have rights, and they are not being protected by trying to tear them down for others benefit.

 

[Speedwell]

Don't be silly. You're the one who stated, "That's what turns the Christian Right...." You identified a certain people group. I was asking why they likewise don't have an equal voice and a right to speak. Are they not citizen of the country like everyone else?

Of course. But they are not the only real Christians or the only real patriots. It is that claim of privilege which is being questioned.

 

[Speedwell]

I have the right to my beliefs. The practice of my religion. The freedom of my own speech. And I do not have to relinquish that just because other think my way of life needs to be torn down off of a pedestal or debased.

And I can vote for a president you cannot stand into office if I so chose.

People are still not grasping that I have rights, and they are not being protected by trying to tear them down for others benefit.

No one is trying to tear down your rights. None of the rights you have listed are being challenged. What is being challenged is the claim of superior status in regard to the rest of us.

 

[GACfan]

No, just reducing Evangelical Protestants to the same level as everyone else.

As it should be in this country. Evangelicals aren't entitled to special treatment by the government because they are evangelical Christian. In fact, the federal government shouldn't endorse or promote any sect of Christianity over all other religions in this country. The duties of our government leaders, including the President of the United States, does not include promoting and endorsing Christianity.

 

[LostMarbels]

Of course. But they are not the only real Christians or the only real patriots. It is that claim of privilege which is being questioned.

There is no privilege in not wanting to be torn of a perceived pedestal or debased.

No one is trying to tear down your rights. None of the rights you have listed are being challenged. What is being challenged is the claim of superior status in regard to the rest of us.

I make no claim of superiority. I don't even want to take what you have. We all have the right to exist.

 

[GACfan]

No one is trying to tear down your rights. None of the rights you have listed are being challenged. What is being challenged is the claim of superior status in regard to the rest of us.

That's correct.

 

[LostMarbels]

Of course. But they are not the only real Christians or the only real patriots. It is that claim of privilege which is being questioned.

And again... you responding to me right? I never said any of that.

 

[LostMarbels]

That's correct.

Where did I say that?

 

[Speedwell]

And again... you responding to me right? I never said any of that.

No, not you personally, but you appear to support those who do.

 

[Speedwell]

Where did I say that?

You claim that your religious liberties are being challenged, but then you listed some which are not being challenged. You must have some others in mind.