Name above every Name - in Heaven and on earth...

[Clare73]

Is there not a direct association between 'Name' and 'Authority' ???

Yes, title/position (Name) would be a direct association with Authority (power), would it not?

Did Jesus not keep His flock safe with the authority of His Fathers Name which was given to Him...

Indeed! He did so with his Father's Authority/power (Name).

John 17
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[Saint Steven]

Is there not a direct association between 'Name' and 'Authority' ???

Yes, that's a good way to look at it. But a bit strange when the actual name of an authority is unknown.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

what is the Name above every Name - this is important as we need to be confident that we are appealing to the highest authority.

The passage I see more about Jesus / Yahweh / the Trinity.

That Yahweh is the Greatest of the Elohim. Deuteronomy 5:6-21 etc. It has to do with Biblical tropes like the name of something in the Bible especially the Old Testament is a revelation / description of its nature or attributes or at least status.

 

[The Liturgist]

Hi folks.

Here goes - lower you heresy shields...

I have been pondering this issue for a while and invite comment.

In John 17 we have clear statements concerning the Father giving Jesus His Name ("I have kept them in Your Name, the Name You gave me.")

Further to this the 'Name above every name' is JESUS. Not just on earth but on heaven as well.

Jesus simply means God Saves.

So this will ruffle a few feathers but I can only conclude that God Himself has raised the Name of Jesus higher than any other name He has.

Our messianic brothers in particularly want the claim YHWH is eternally the highest name.

So what is the Name above every Name - this is important as we need to be confident that we are appealing to the highest authority.

Well clearly Jesus is the name of God, but so also is YHWH, and for that matter, Elohim and Adonai. I like the pious Jewish custom of not even saying “God”, writing it “G-d” and saying “Hashem.”

 

[disciple Clint]

Is the Name of Jesus above every other name or not ???

Eph 1
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church...

Phil 2
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Carl I know you hate to use commentaries but look those scriptures up and you will have your answer.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes, title/position (Name) would be a direct association with Authority (power), would it not?

Indeed! He did so with his Father's Authority/power (Name).

So as I see it the Name of Jesus was a name of the Father given by the Father to Jesus and was the highest authority for eternity.

He was not given the name I AM or YHWH or Elohim but Jesus.

I suspect many have not appreciated the significance of this.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Carl I know you hate to use commentaries but look those scriptures up and you will have your answer.

Discussion among believers who are well versed in scripture and the church fathers and the commentaries - we have it all here and can reach conclusions together.

 

[Saint Steven]

So as I see it the Name of Jesus was a name of the Father given by the Father to Jesus and was the highest authority for eternity.

He was not given the name I AM or YHWH or Elohim but Jesus.

I suspect many have not appreciated the significance of this.

Oh course, "Jesus" is the NT Greek for Y'shua. (Joshua in English?)

So, which name has authority?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Oh course, "Jesus" is the NT Greek for Y'shua. (Joshua in English?)

So, which name has authority?

Yeshua, Jesus, Joshua all mean 'Yah saves' and are essentially the same name.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Jonaitis]

Hi folks.

Here goes - lower you heresy shields...

I have been pondering this issue for a while and invite comment.

In John 17 we have clear statements concerning the Father giving Jesus His Name ("I have kept them in Your Name, the Name You gave me.")

Further to this the 'Name above every name' is JESUS. Not just on earth but on heaven as well.

Jesus simply means God Saves.

So this will ruffle a few feathers but I can only conclude that God Himself has raised the Name of Jesus higher than any other name He has.

Our messianic brothers in particularly want the claim YHWH is eternally the highest name.

So what is the Name above every Name - this is important as we need to be confident that we are appealing to the highest authority.

Well, a name was more than a title, it was the sum of one's life and reputation. "Have you not heard about king [blank], his name is spread across the land, known far and wide." When Jesus' name is considered higher than any other, it is apparent that it refers to his works and fame, not simply a few characters put together to form syllables.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Well, a name was more than a title, it was the sum of one's life and reputation. "Have you not heard about king [blank], his name is spread across the land, known far and wide." When Jesus' name is considered higher than any other, it is apparent that it refers to his works and fame, not simply a few characters put together to form syllables.

It is in His Name that we have spiritual authority...

...and that is a positional statement - using His Name without being 'in Him' has disastrous consequences.

 

[Jonaitis]

It is in His Name that we have spiritual authority...

...and that is a positional statement - using His Name without being 'in Him' has disastrous consequences.

That is, is in His work and reputation, that we are saved and have spiritual authority. That's what is in his name, especially when you end prayer with it.

 

[Carl Emerson]

That is, is in His work and reputation, that we are saved and have spiritual authority. That's what is in his name, especially when you end prayer with it.

More than that, is the fact that the Father gave Him His Name and ultimate authority forever.

 

[Jonaitis]

More than that, is the fact that the Father gave Him His Name and ultimate authority forever.

This begs a question. Did Jesus receive this authority, or did he resume his divine authority?

 

[Carl Emerson]

This begs a question. Did Jesus receive this authority, or did he resume his divine authority?

Authority and empowerment are two different things.

He could only do what He saw the Father doing.

He couldn't begin ministry before receiving the Power of the Spirit at baptism.

However He showed authority as a young child. So He resumed divine authority being indwelled by the Holy Spirit at birth.

 

[Jonaitis]

Authority and empowerment are two different things.

He could only do what He saw the Father doing.

He couldn't begin ministry before receiving the Power of the Spirit at baptism.

However he showed authority as a young child. So He resumed divine authority being indwelled by the Holy Spirit at birth.

God doesn't actually dwell in a particular place, that is simply language.

Scripture may call it empowerment, but that's just a way for us to understand the resumption of His authority that He set aside in the life of a servant.

 

[Carl Emerson]

God doesn't actually indwell in a particular place, that is simply language.

John the Baptist was told that the one upon whom the Spirit would come upon and remain upon was the awaited Messiah.

I think there is a danger in saying the scripture is 'simply language' as it is inspired by Him and not just words.

 

[Jonaitis]

John the Baptist was told that the one upon whom the Spirit would come upon and remain upon was the awaited Messiah.

I think there is a danger in saying the scripture is 'simply language' as it is inspired by Him and not just words.

What sort of danger?

 

[Pavel Mosko]

So as I see it the Name of Jesus was a name of the Father given by the Father to Jesus and was the highest authority for eternity.

He was not given the name I AM or YHWH or Elohim but Jesus.

I suspect many have not appreciated the significance of this.

My post was on "the name above every name" part.

Yeshua, aka Jesus, is just an Aramaic version of Joshua. Yes his name has significance as his role Messiah, but not as much as what your giving it. He was not the first person with this name in Israel!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

A person's name identifies the person. The YHWH of the Old Testament was the pre-incarnate Son of God. In Matthew 1:23, the name of the Messiah is "Immanuel" meaning God with us. Moses asked the pre-incarnate Son of God who spoke to him out of the burning bush and He said, "I AM who I AM." He identified Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is only one God, the "I AM." It wasn't the Father who made appearances in the Old Testament because Jesus said that no one has seen the Father at any time. It is Jesus who has revealed the nature and character of the Father through Himself. Isaiah gives several names to the coming Messiah: The Prince of Peace, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counsellor." Paul uses the name Jesus, and Christ Jesus. What all this tells us is that the names identify the Person.

Therefore, all things point to the Person who has been identified by the name. There is no other Person (name) under heaven by whom anyone is saved.

As a matter of interest, the Jesus name as such may not always identify the Messiah as He is in the Bible. We have the Roman Catholic Jesus, the Mormon Jesus, the Jehovah's Witness Jesus, the modernist "Christ of faith". All these have the name of Jesus, but don't actually identify the Emmanuel of the Bible. Therefore having just the name itself is not enough to clearly identify the Person who is All in All and the I AM who named Himself to Moses.