NAACP in hot water over speech

[Johnboy60]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-10-29-naacp-irs_x.htm?csp=22_tnt



Robert

 

[ApostateAbe]

Oh no! The NAACP is going to have to pay their fair share of public expenses. What a shame.

 

[jameseb]

Oh no! The NAACP is going to have to pay their fair share of public expenses. What a shame.

Is outrage!

Heh.

 

[Rochir]

if the NAACP loses its tax exempt sttus, so should churches which openly preach that only voting for Bush is "the christian choice" which is quite absurd!

 

[Vylo]

May they and all the Bush-touting Churches lose their tax exemptions. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[ChuckVilla]

They know the rules just like everyone else. I'm a board member of a 503(c) organization and we have to avoid partisanship like the plague. Anyone who can't obey the rules should loose their tax exemption. Simple enough.

To be honest though - I wouldn't mind getting rid of the tax exemption completely. It's too easy to abuse. Every 4 years this topic comes up again.

 

[rosenherman]

Good, good, good!
It's about time they got slapped for their hate speeches! They started out doing good works now they are acting as though they are a PAC for the dems.

 

[loribee59]

Good, good, good!
It's about time they got slapped for their hate speeches! They started out doing good works now they are acting as though they are a PAC for the dems.

Not all blacks are predominately Democrats....as I know of one black lady who is a conservative Republican, and ran for the Senate seat twice (she won), and she had worked for several governors in Oregon. Her name is Jackie Winters--you can google her name and she's just everywhere in it. LOL I'm sure she'd have the same opinion about the flap even if she is a member of NAACP.

 

[soulbrother-NO.1]

Frances Hill, an authority on non-profit groups at the University of Miami Law School, called it "amazing" that the IRS would audit a group based on a public speech.

"Usually you would look for some activity other than disagreeing with policies," she said.

At this point in time, I do not trust anything coming from the Bush government.

 

[starchild]

I haven't been able to find text from the speech. Found one from last year, but not from this year... Because the lines in the article sure aren't what I'd consider anywhere near campaigning. If anyone has a link to the text, please post it, and thank you!

 

[Street Smarts]

if the NAACP loses its tax exempt sttus, so should churches which openly preach that only voting for Bush is "the christian choice" which is a bunch of BS!

Kinda like Kerry's tour of churches in Florida with "Rev" Jesse Jackson and "Rev" Al Sharpton

 

[Sycophant]

Kinda like Kerry's tour of churches in Florida with "Rev" Jesse Jackson and "Rev" Al Sharpton

You choice ot put quotes around "Rev" for those two seems a little demeaning. They are both legally ordained ministers.

 

[Vylo]

Kinda like Kerry's tour of churches in Florida with "Rev" Jesse Jackson and "Rev" Al Sharpton

If it is the churches endorsing them then yes.

 

[Street Smarts]

You choice ot put quotes around "Rev" for those two seems a little demeaning. They are both legally ordained ministers.

Is that your best response for the statement that I made? Just for you to speculate my meaning of the quoting of Rev.
Or do you have something to add to the Kerry Campaign going to all those black churches with his PREACHERS helping him along the way.

 

[Sycophant]

Is that your best response for the statement that I made? Just for you to speculate my meaning of the quoting of Rev.
Or do you have something to add to the Kerry Campaign going to all those black churches with his PREACHERS helping him along the way.

No, I don't know anything about the visits you are referring to, I am still looking around for some info on that. However I did notice your choice to marginalise the two people you disagreed with by placing quotes around their titles. And that is what I chose to point out at the moment.

For what it's worth, as I still don't really have any information about what you are referring to, yes I would feel that a church leader endorsing a candidate to his congregation would be inappropiate, and (as discussed in the IRS curch thread here) ought to be investigated. However I don't see anything especially wrong with political candidate being invited to speak themselves at these types of events.

I am more than happy for it to cut both ways. If an organisation is granted tax exemption, and one of the conditions of that is that they don't take on a partisan campaigning role in political activities, then they shouldn't do so. Regardless of what 'team' they side with.

 

[Street Smarts]

No, I don't know anything about the visits you are referring to, I am still looking around for some info on that. However I did notice your choice to marginalise the two people you disagreed with by placing quotes around their titles. And that is what I chose to point out at the moment.

For what it's worth, as I still don't really have any information about what you are referring to, yes I would feel that a church leader endorsing a candidate to his congregation would be inappropiate, and (as discussed in the IRS curch thread here) ought to be investigated. However I don't see anything especially wrong with political candidate being invited to speak themselves at these types of events.

I am more than happy for it to cut both ways. If an organisation is granted tax exemption, and one of the conditions of that is that they don't take on a partisan campaigning role in political activities, then they shouldn't do so. Regardless of what 'team' they side with.

HEre I will help you out since searching for something you dont want to hear is so difficult.

http://www.dispatch.com/election/election-president.php?story=dispatch/2004/10/11/20041011-A8-01.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4124633
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/11/MNGST974EU1.DTL
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=154141

Is that enough for you?

 

[Sycophant]

HEre I will help you out since searching for something you dont want to hear is so difficult.

http://www.dispatch.com/election/election-president.php?story=dispatch/2004/10/11/20041011-A8-01.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4124633
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/11/MNGST974EU1.DTL
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=154141

Is that enough for you?

Thanks, I had found two of those already.

This is what I thought - Kerry delivering a speech at a church, something I believe has been common for many years and practiced by both parties on and off, and also something I think is acceptable in tax law (based on what I have read about that sort of thing before).

This is quite different from church leaders urging their congragation to vote one way or the other, or as is the accusation here, the NAACP making strong political statements one way or the other to urge it's members to vote a specific way.

 

[Key Peninsula Redneck]

They're gonna get slapped faster than I can say, "hoisted by your own petard."

 

[Street Smarts]

Thanks, I had found two of those already.

This is what I thought - Kerry delivering a speech at a church, something I believe has been common for many years and practiced by both parties on and off, and also something I think is acceptable in tax law (based on what I have read about that sort of thing before).

This is quite different from church leaders urging their congragation to vote one way or the other, or as is the accusation here, the NAACP making strong political statements one way or the other to urge it's members to vote a specific way.

Hmmm why didnt I figure you would say this....if you dont think that it is a Pastorial endorsement if they gave the candidate their Pulpit to campaign then you are in some serious denial

 

[Sycophant]

I wouldn't tend to agree that campaigning in a church is really a great idea. But as I understand it, it is allowed and has been very widely practised for a long time. I'm not arguing that it's right but I am arguing that it is allowed.