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Myth About the Bible - Busted!

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The source material is the earth itself as you will see below. The Earth can not lie
What do you mean the earth does not lie?
Are you saying people will all look at the earth and see the truth?
Would that not mean that scientists do not need to interpret the evidence?
How could that be?
The only way that can happen, is if every bit of evidence was direct evidence, and that is not the case.

Most evidence... especially in the past, is circumstantial, which means interpretation... which means room for error, and wrong conclusions... which is why science never reaches a foregone conclusion that is not constantly being reviewed, and oftentimes overturned, and replaced.

Can I just ask you one question, please.
If a couple years from now, you heard that half of these, or more, were wrong/misinterpreted/assumed to be/believed to be, as new evidence surfaced, would you say the earth lied, or would you be willing to admit that how evidence is interpreted can be wrong?
 
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Not even close.

Ordinary people aren't qualified to create a scientific template.

Would you advocate using the janitor to develop a template for the microcode that runs the mechanical arm that assists in heart surgery?
Scientists are still people.
What I am saying is that, I would not say scientists do this, because I know of scientist who don't.

Even though religious people rape children, would I be right to say religious people set a bad example by raping children?
Would that not be like saying all religious people are terrible, and everyone else is good?
Do you see what I mean?
 
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So they are always right. Is that what you are saying?
Would you like me to show you they are not?
 
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I don't think you get what I'm saying.

Scientists are the ones who set the industry standards.

And ... after all ... that makes sense.

You wouldn't want an auto mechanic setting the standards used by the FDA, would you?
 
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The knowledge that scientist open up is about what the Earth presents to them.
I would say, what they think/believe the earth presents to them.
I can show you some examples, if you would like me to.

Many scientist, as your aware, are Christians who because of their faith are not against the Bible.
I know scientist who, because of the evidence, are not against the Bible. Some were atheists, before they accepted what the Bible says, but because of what they saw, both in the natural world, and their examination of the Bible, they acquired faith.
 
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I know scientist who, because of the evidence, are not against the Bible. Some were atheists, before they accepted what the Bible says, but because of what they saw, both in the natural world, and their examination of the Bible, they acquired faith.

But the big question is:

Did they do it in spite of science ... or with respect to it?

Let's take the Grand Canyon as an example.

All an unregenerate scientist can do -- assuming he adheres to science only -- is see a beautiful geological phenomenon.

On the other hand, a born again scientist can see further, and see the Grand Canyon as a horrible tear in God's perfect creation due to sin.
 
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I don't think you get what I'm saying.

Scientists are the ones who set the industry standards.

And ... after all ... that makes sense.

You wouldn't want an auto mechanic setting the standards used by the FDA, would you?
I do understand what you are saying, but I think you need to understand what I am saying.
An auto mechanic repairs cars. If someone uses that to attack FDA, that person is the one who set that standard. not the mechanic, imo.
 
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I don't see how the scientific method is used against the Bible, unless it is misused, or abused, and I don't believe serious scientist who don't promote their biases do this.

Will you at least see the scientific method as a template set by scientists, and not set by ballerina dancers?
 
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I don't see how the scientific method is used against the Bible, unless it is misused, or abused, and I don't believe serious scientist who don't promote their biases do this.

What goes through your mind, when you see scientists deny the virgin birth on the grounds that Jesus was a male, and it takes a male father to supply the y-chromosome?

Or what goes through your mind when you see the Flood denied, because there should be "watermarks" all over the earth of this event?

Or what goes through your mind when you hear the Jews referred to as "ignorant, goat herding, desert nomads"?

Or what goes through your mind when you hear we are "mutant, copy errors" made in the image and likeness of God?

I could go on and on and on ...
 
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But the big question is:

Did they do it in spite of science ... or with respect to it?
Yes. With respect to science.

It's the interpretation that makes the difference.
Today, in the scientific community, interpretations differ. Theories/hypotheses differ.
Scientist disagree, even to the point of fighting and name-calling.
You just have to do a quick google search, and it's all there... biases and all.
They are human.

However, how the evidence is interpreted, will lead to different conclusions.
It's not direct evidence we are looking at.
 
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Okay. Are we good now?

Sounds good to me.

One more question, please.

Should scientists see Israel as "the promised land"?

Or should scientists view Israel as just a geopolitical entity that was given to them by the British?
 
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Sounds good to me.

One more question, please.

Should scientists see Israel as "the promised land"?

Or should scientists view Israel as just a geopolitical entity that was given to them by the British?
Why should scientists have an opinion about such a thing, one way or the other.
Faith in what? Faith in Christ? Or faith in the literal inerrancy of Scripture?
 
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Why should scientists have an opinion about such a thing, one way or the other.

Then they can keep their mouths shut about it and admit they don't have enough information, can't they?
 
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You did? Would you be able to say which question you answered?

sjastro said:
Scientists are not making assumptions but using evidence based on GPS, geodetic data, thermochronology, strath terrace dating, sediment analysis, isostatic compensation and geological markers.

That is what you said, and I asked you to "Please clarify. Are you saying no assumptions are made here?"
I asked because your statement is not true.
In all those methods, or models, assumptions are made.

You notice you did not answer the question?

Based on the assumption that the rate is constant, slow and gradual, they do.
We have passed that stage, though. Or at least I thought we did.

I used it as an example.
Persons were limiting it. Are you doing that as well?

Your figures are at least correct.
There’s as much water in Earth’s mantle as in all the oceans.
A reservoir of water three times the volume of all the oceans has been discovered deep beneath the Earth’s surface. The finding could help explain where Earth’s seas came from.

Genesis 7:11 'all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.'
Water came from beneath, and water goes in the earth as well.

If all factors are not taken into consideration, and included, I can see how this conclusion is reached.

If you disagree with this the burden of proof is on you to show it is wrong, since this is a science forum miracles violating the conservation of mass, or massive acceleration in the recent past without supporting evidence is not allowed.
There are Basic assumptions of science, and you deny this, so I think we need to clarify this first.
I checked GPS, and geodetic data, and these both use assumptions.
 
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