Mysteries of the Flood

[Aman777]

Dear Readers, The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins. In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our Cosmos, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8
Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19
Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20
On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? Comments?

In Love,
Aman

 

[gungasnake]

Isaiah is not talking about the flood; he's talking about a series of lesser cosmic events occurring around his own time, long after the flood.

Velikovsky, "Worlds in Collision"

 

[HitchSlap]

Dear Readers...


HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? Comments?

In Love,
Aman

Dear Aman...

Even if the ark existed, and a global flood occurred, one physical objects cannot occupy two different places at the same time.

In Love,
HS

 

[Aman777]

Isaiah is not talking about the flood; he's talking about a series of lesser cosmic events occurring around his own time, long after the flood.

Velikovsky, "Worlds in Collision"

Dear gungasnake, Here are the verses:

Isa 24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

The Snare is the trap which catches the Lies of the ToE, by showing that Humans did NOT evolve from other creatures. Here is the SNARE:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

I don't believe your reference since this is obviously the account of the FIRST Earth being totally destroyed in water, broken down, clean dissolved, moved exceedingly and falling and not rising again. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in the Flood. That is the SNARE or TRAP which destroys the False ToE.

Hey, that's one of the mysteries of the Flood. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19
Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20
On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? Comments?

Dear Aman...

Even if the ark existed, and a global flood occurred, one physical objects cannot occupy two different places at the same time.

In Love,
HS

Dear HS, The Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world. The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained, was floating in Lake Van, Turkey, the largest Lake in Turkey. It's in the mountains of Ararat and is some 75 miles wide.

The firmament contained the first Earth which was much smaller than today's Earth. Adam's Earth had only 4 Rivers, which all ran out of the Garden of Eden and the entire FIRST firmament, which God called Heaven, was floating in the Lake. Peter tells us it was "in the water and out of the water". ll Peter 3:5 After 150 days, the firmament filled with water, it sank, and the entire FIRST Heaven, and all of it's inhabitants, were destroyed in the Flood, except those in the Ark.

The Ark was covered and floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area, as the firmament sank. This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began as Gen 7:24 AND Gen 8:4 tell us. Our God is an Awesome God and His Holy Word is the Truth, in every way. It's a mystery to those who have not been born again Spiritually. God Bless you. Jesus is LORD.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Golden Yak]

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? Comments?

Well, it was a whole entire day. Presumably it moved from one area to the other at some point over the course of the day.

Hey Aman, any thoughts on Adam's world being a folded-space object? i.e. that it was 'bigger on the inside'? Containing far more than it appeared capable of from the outside?

 

[Strathos]

Dear Aman...

Even if the ark existed, and a global flood occurred, one physical objects cannot occupy two different places at the same time.

In Love,
HS

Technically it can, but the probability approaches nil as its size increases. Happens to subatomic particles all the time.

 

[EternalDragon]

The Snare is the trap which catches the Lies of the ToE, by showing that Humans did NOT evolve from other creatures. Here is the SNARE:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

I don't believe your reference since this is obviously the account of the FIRST Earth being totally destroyed in water, broken down, clean dissolved, moved exceedingly and falling and not rising again. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in the Flood. That is the SNARE or TRAP which destroys the False ToE.

Hey, that's one of the mysteries of the Flood. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

If I am not mistaken, that verse is speaking about the tribulation period that hasn't happened yet.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear Readers, The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins. In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our Cosmos, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8
Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19
Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20
On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? Comments?

In Love,
Aman

Interestingly enough, even rocks dissolve in water, given enough time. That is how you get stalagmites and stalactites in caves.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Readers, The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins. In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our Cosmos, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8
Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19
Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20
On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? Comments?

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Interestingly enough, even rocks dissolve in water, given enough time. That is how you get stalagmites and stalactites in caves.

Dear PsychoSarah, Our Planet has been covered with water for Billions of years now, but it has NEVER had it's mountains covered with water, nor has our Earth been clean dissoved in a Flood, as Isaiah 24:19 shows. This means that the first Earth, the Earth of Adam, was the one destroyed in the Flood. Our world will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

If I am not mistaken, that verse is speaking about the tribulation period that hasn't happened yet.

Dear ED, Impossible, since God promised Noah that never again would the Earth be destroyed in a Flood.

Gen 9:11 And I will establish My covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

The refererence to the Flood is because the Isaiah 24:19 is speaking of the Snare or Trap which God set for the all knowing Evols with the Flood.

Gen 8:1¶ And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;

The Hebrew word Shakak (asswaged) is used later to describe this event:

Jer 5:26 For among My people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as He that setteth snares;(Shakak) they set a trap, they catch men.

This verse is key to understanding the SNARE since it uses the word "asswaged" which can mean to to assuage or to set a Trap to catch men. In Genesis 8:1 the SAME Hebrew word can mean both, but the next verse doesn't fit the story IF you read it to mean suside or decrease.

The reason for this is simple since Isaiah tells us that the Flood "clean dissolved" Adam's world.

Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Scoffers, at the end of time, will be "willingly ignorant" of this event which Isaiah describes.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally) 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

These verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood and that the heavens and earth which are now will be burned. The Scoffers (Evols) will NOT believe this. Do you?

In Love,
Aman

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dear ED, Impossible, since God promised Noah that never again would the Earth be destroyed in a Flood.

So He'll destroy it some other way.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear ED, Impossible, since God promised Noah that never again would the Earth be destroyed in a Flood.
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So He'll destroy it some other way.

Dear Valentine, Amen, and when God destroys something, He really destroys it:

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

God cannot live with such a sinful world which Crucified His only Son and then made jokes out of it. Don't believe me? Then tell me where Adam's world is today. It's gone forever.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Thus is the future of our burned out Cosmos and of the unbelievers who will be left in outer darkness, alone with self, forever. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dear Valentine, Amen, and when God destroys something, He really destroys it:

I daresay nobody does mass destruction better than God.

God cannot live with such a sinful world which Crucified His only Son and then made jokes out of it.

And yet he's been living with it since well before they crucified him.

He lived with it when His only Son was heckled by the very people he was trying to save.

He lived with it when His only Son's own adopted family thought he's gone nuts.

He lived with it, of course, when they crucified him and gambled for the clothes off his back.

And He's lived with it without so much as a grumble for 2,000 years since.

Long time to hold a grudge.

If, as you would have us believe, He's been stewing in his own anger for that long, one must ask what the difference is between perfect love and perfectly-veiled bitterness.

Don't believe me? Then tell me where Adam's world is today. It's gone forever.

smashing up a little biosphere at the bottom of a Turkish lake isn't exactly what I would call impressive.

Thus is the future of our burned out Cosmos and of the unbelievers who will be left in outer darkness, alone with self, forever. God Bless you.

What did I tell you about Pascal's Wager? Don't you feel the least bit ashamed of yourself for trying to lead people to insincerity?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Readers, The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins. In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our Cosmos, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8
Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19
Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20
On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day? Comments?

​

Dear PsychoSarah, Our Planet has been covered with water for Billions of years now, but it has NEVER had it's mountains covered with water, nor has our Earth been clean dissoved in a Flood, as Isaiah 24:19 shows. This means that the first Earth, the Earth of Adam, was the one destroyed in the Flood. Our world will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Ok, so the flood event wasn't on this planet exactly then? Hmm, plausible, more so than it happening here. I could accept that possibility. This planet could be a dumping ground for failed godly creations that are still alive. Interesting.

 

[andy b]

Never really took much notice of noah until i recently found religion..but what does the panel think of instructions on how to build one on a 4000 year old tablet being translated by finkel at the british museum ( i think ) also its round in shape

 

[PsychoSarah]

Never really took much notice of noah until i recently found religion..but what does the panel think of instructions on how to build one on a 4000 year old tablet being translated by finkel at the british museum ( i think ) also its round in shape

Nice, however, a boat that size would not have been sufficient for all the animals the bible tasked Noah with. However, if it were only the sacrificial animals, they could have fit for some time, it is possible that some of the events in the bible are extremely exaggerated versions of real events. Possible, not necessarily true.

 

[andy b]

Nice, however, a boat that size would not have been sufficient for all the animals the bible tasked Noah with. However, if it were only the sacrificial animals, they could have fit for some time, it is possible that some of the events in the bible are extremely exaggerated versions of real events. Possible, not necessarily true.

hey there sister you seem to be buckling that there may be some truth lol

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>Dear PsychoSarah, Our Planet has been covered with water for Billions of years now, but it has NEVER had it's mountains covered with water, nor has our Earth been clean dissoved in a Flood, as Isaiah 24:19 shows. This means that the first Earth, the Earth of Adam, was the one destroyed in the Flood. Our world will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 God Bless you.

Ok, so the flood event wasn't on this planet exactly then? Hmm, plausible, more so than it happening here. I could accept that possibility. This planet could be a dumping ground for failed godly creations that are still alive. Interesting.

Dear PsychoSarah, The entire First Heaven, the firmament which contained the Earth of Adam, sank in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat, some 10k years ago, exactly as God told us in Genesis 7 and 8. Human civilization, on this Planet can be traced to Noah, whose entire Universe was contained in a much smaller Biosphere than the boundary of our world.

Before it sank, men spent their lives in a much more protected environment than our world and lived some 900 years BEFORE they died. After this, when the blood of Natural man (the sons of God) was mixed with Human blood, Human lifetimes became less than 120 years. Genesis 6:3

Conclusion: Our Planet is blessed twice since it also contained the entire world of Adam, which was "clean dissolved" in the waters of the Flood. God has NO failed creations, since that would mean that He made an error, which is impossible. The first world was destroyed because of the violence of the people who were produced when Adam's descendants married the sons of God (prehistoric people) of the first Earth.

The SAME thing happened on our Planet when Noah's grandsons had no other Humans to marry. Our lifetimes were shortened to prevent the extinction, which the old humans of the first Earth brought to the point of destroying all flesh, is less than 2k years. I don't know how long we have left but that was some 10k years ago.

Jesus returns to prevent this extinction from happening again:

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

No flesh would be saved because mankind is coming to destruction again, shortly. Pray that Jesus is on time. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[PsychoSarah]

hey there sister you seem to be buckling that there may be some truth lol

I am more open minded than people assume based on the fact that I am atheist. However, the whole planet would not have been flooded, but a portion of a continent could be. With only the sacrificial animals, and saying that the flood only lasted two months rather than the more than a year stated in the bible, careful rationing could have made it possible, minus Noah's obscene age of over 200 years stated in the bible. If the ark was the exact size stated in the bible, and Noah only took two, rather than the seven, of these sacrifice animals, then it would have been physically possible for him to stockpile enough food for them and his family for that 2 months. But, in no way shape or form does this mean it did happen, it is just possible.

My personal belief is that, if there is a god or godlike being out there, the bible has no relationship with them. I do not view the bible as the word of god, but as the word of men who were attempting to understand the world and enforce basic ideas of morality within a large population. There is no evidence to suggest that any god had been involved to any extent in the writing of the bible.

Therefore, the fact that the bible is wrong in so many ways does not impact the validity or invalidity of god to me. Not any more than, say, the Iliad impacts how plausible you feel the Greek gods are, you just view it as a fictitious religious text of the past.