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Mysteries in Revelation: what I don't understand.

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There are many things in the book of Revelation that I do not understand, so perhaps here, is opportunity to post what you think about these mysteries.
The first is ‘the image of the beast’ which the people of the earth are instructed to make, and this image is given life, as it breaths and speaks.
Is this image of the beast, a clone of the beast’ which was wounded by the sword, and is the sword a real sword, of a metaphor for the word of God, and if it is the word of God, why not just say so to limit the confusion?

The second mystery is the swarm of locusts, is this metaphor, or are these real locusts of some sort, with symbolism incorporated.

Daniel the prophet is so confused by the visions that he had, that he had to get an angel along to explain it to him, and yet we are not given any explanations in the main, so a lot of the book remains the topic of endless arguments.

What is the meaning of the flame red, sulphur yellow and hyacinth blue, worn by the army of 200 million, is this an indication that we are looking at the Ottoman Turks, as that was their colours- specifically. The colours are there for a reason, and those colours do not add up to China, which is red.
 
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14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Well, here's my 2 cents on this subject, and I'm sure many people would scoff at them, but here it is anyway:

At the end of 2012 will be Jeremiah's 1st "rumor of war" Jer 51:46
And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler.
People will think we are on the brink of nuclear armageddon. The Western govt's (which are controlled by Satanists) will hand out anti-radiation pills, either Prussian Blue or Potassium Iodide (or as the NWO harlot Michio Kaku calls them, "doomsday pills".) These pills will be spiked with hallucinogens/ a specific cocktail of psychotropic drugs developed under MKULTRA/ CIA and tested on various populations like Jonestown or Pont-Saint-Esprit, France. French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment - Telegraph

These pills will be given out under the CDC's Cities Readiness Initiative (a plan that sees meds handed out to potentially everyone in the US in under 48 hours - 24 to disperse to POD's (point of dispensing places) and 24 to hand out to people. CDC Cities Readiness Initiative | Home
I believe the CDC is located in 40 to 60 countries, so I'm sure there are similar plans in place in a country near you...

Anyway, the False Prophet, the US/ King of Babylon (Mystery Babylon is the church of Babylon) will make an image unto the beast, ie holds a memorial service to the AC (coff* coff* Prince William) during the time that the populace is tripping - a global MKULTRA event. The image of him comes to life in the same manner that Simon Magus made idols of Zeus come to life - psychedelic drugs.

As to what the locusts are, I think that they're material expression/ Satanic replication of prophecy refers to mini-drones with tasers. » DHS-Funded Taser Drone Launched in Texas Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

(why can't I link things?)
 
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There are many things in the book of Revelation that I do not understand, so perhaps here, is opportunity to post what you think about these mysteries.
The first is ‘the image of the beast’ which the people of the earth are instructed to make, and this image is given life, as it breaths and speaks.
The image is a geminoid. The technology is here [again, for there is nothing new under the sun. It has all been done by those who have gone before us].
Geminoid Robot looks just like its human master. - YouTube
 
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Well, here's my 2 cents on this subject, and I'm sure many people would scoff at them, but here it is anyway:

At the end of 2012 will be Jeremiah's 1st "rumor of war" Jer 51:46 People will think we are on the brink of nuclear armageddon. The Western govt's (which are controlled by Satanists) will hand out anti-radiation pills, either Prussian Blue or Potassium Iodide (or as the NWO harlot Michio Kaku calls them, "doomsday pills".) These pills will be spiked with hallucinogens/ a specific cocktail of psychotropic drugs developed under MKULTRA/ CIA and tested on various populations like Jonestown or Pont-Saint-Esprit, France. French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment - Telegraph

These pills will be given out under the CDC's Cities Readiness Initiative (a plan that sees meds handed out to potentially everyone in the US in under 48 hours - 24 to disperse to POD's (point of dispensing places) and 24 to hand out to people. CDC Cities Readiness Initiative | Home
I believe the CDC is located in 40 to 60 countries, so I'm sure there are similar plans in place in a country near you...

Anyway, the False Prophet, the US/ King of Babylon (Mystery Babylon is the church of Babylon) will make an image unto the beast, ie holds a memorial service to the AC (coff* coff* Prince William) during the time that the populace is tripping - a global MKULTRA event. The image of him comes to life in the same manner that Simon Magus made idols of Zeus come to life - psychedelic drugs.

As to what the locusts are, I think that they're material expression/ Satanic replication of prophecy refers to mini-drones with tasers. » DHS-Funded Taser Drone Launched in Texas Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

(why can't I link things?)

Huh? :doh:
 
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The image is a geminoid. The technology is here [again, for there is nothing new under the sun. It has all been done by those who have gone before us].
Wow! that is really freaky!........being once a ventriloquist and learning arts of deception, I can tell you these dummies would be really in demand for ventriloquist and pupeteers, wax museums and other theme parks....there so realistic looking, very spooky
 
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Well, here's my 2 cents on this subject, and I'm sure many people would scoff at them, but here it is anyway:

At the end of 2012 will be Jeremiah's 1st "rumor of war" Jer 51:46 People will think we are on the brink of nuclear armageddon. The Western govt's (which are controlled by Satanists) will hand out anti-radiation pills, either Prussian Blue or Potassium Iodide (or as the NWO harlot Michio Kaku calls them, "doomsday pills".) These pills will be spiked with hallucinogens/ a specific cocktail of psychotropic drugs developed under MKULTRA/ CIA and tested on various populations like Jonestown or Pont-Saint-Esprit, France. French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment - Telegraph

These pills will be given out under the CDC's Cities Readiness Initiative (a plan that sees meds handed out to potentially everyone in the US in under 48 hours - 24 to disperse to POD's (point of dispensing places) and 24 to hand out to people. CDC Cities Readiness Initiative | Home
I believe the CDC is located in 40 to 60 countries, so I'm sure there are similar plans in place in a country near you...

Anyway, the False Prophet, the US/ King of Babylon (Mystery Babylon is the church of Babylon) will make an image unto the beast, ie holds a memorial service to the AC (coff* coff* Prince William) during the time that the populace is tripping - a global MKULTRA event. The image of him comes to life in the same manner that Simon Magus made idols of Zeus come to life - psychedelic drugs.

As to what the locusts are, I think that they're material expression/ Satanic replication of prophecy refers to mini-drones with tasers. » DHS-Funded Taser Drone Launched in Texas Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

(why can't I link things?)
Interesting but I think Alex Jones is a disinformationist, alot of what he says is true but he uses this truth to introduce false information, to make what he does say is true, to appear false.
 
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2. The locusts are the demonic spirits that are presently imprisoned in tartarus (2 Peter 2; Jude). They are the same army in Joel that are sent as a part of God's wrath on the unbelieving world. At the 5th trumpet that will be released from the bottomless pit. This is the same pit that demons named Legion begged Jesus not to send them to.
 
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Regarding the image of the beast, no one knows for certain what it will be. imo, it will be statue of the slain Antichrist man (the wounded head).

Initially the statue image will be inanimate, perhaps made of stone. That the False Prophet is able to perform miracles in the presence of the Antichrist beast, Revelation 13:13-14, it could be that by making the statue image come to life - it would be the ultimate proof of the Antichrist beast's claim that he is God.

I don't think the image of the beast will be robotic. I think it will be supernatural, that Satan takes the form of the image, or incarnates the image, either one, making it come to life. In Revelation 13:4, the world also worships Satan. So by incarnating or taking the form of the image - that would be a way that the world ends up worshiping Satan. Kind of like when Satan incarnated the serpent in the garden of eden.

When the Antichrist man is slain by a sword, is it a literal sword or not is not certain. It could be, or being slain with a sword is just a generic way of saying he will be killed by some violent means. Which he comes back to life from.

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Wow! that is really freaky!........being once a ventriloquist and learning arts of deception, I can tell you these dummies would be really in demand for ventriloquist and pupeteers, wax museums and other theme parks....there so realistic looking, very spooky
Maybe they can only read teleprompters, so far:)
 
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There are many things in the book of Revelation that I do not understand, so perhaps here, is opportunity to post what you think about these mysteries.
The first is ‘the image of the beast’ which the people of the earth are instructed to make, and this image is given life, as it breaths and speaks.
Is this image of the beast, a clone of the beast’ which was wounded by the sword, and is the sword a real sword, of a metaphor for the word of God, and if it is the word of God, why not just say so to limit the confusion?

I believe the wound is to the political multiheaded beast, not an individual being.
so, a world system that fails...war...

the "image" could be a flag/standard...of the NWO beast nation.

The second mystery is the swarm of locusts, is this metaphor, or are these real locusts of some sort, with symbolism incorporated.

not real locust, as they are described, and the description is far from literal locusts. See Joel2.
I think it is Satan's locust army, the 4 staged army...fallen agngels.

Daniel the prophet is so confused by the visions that he had, that he had to get an angel along to explain it to him, and yet we are not given any explanations in the main, so a lot of the book remains the topic of endless arguments.
What is the meaning of the flame red, sulphur yellow and hyacinth blue, worn by the army of 200 million, is this an indication that we are looking at the Ottoman Turks, as that was their colours- specifically. The colours are there for a reason, and those colours do not add up to China, which is red.
it's a hard chapter...i think the horsemen are the locust's, and the army are foot soldiers.

17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

so this description is of the same ones in the 5th seal. They command a great many.
 
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Interesting but I think Alex Jones is a disinformationist, alot of what he says is true but he uses this truth to introduce false information, to make what he does say is true, to appear false.

I'm aware Alex Jones is disinfo, but thanks. :)

Info is info, even disinfo. :D
 
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Sigh, the only guy who proposes anything realistic that could fulfill prophecy, and has a historical basis for it, gets the "huh", and the robot comment just slides by...

Weak. Seriously.

Which isn't to say there won't be robots, there will indeed be robots "gone wild". And there will probably be clones too. But what scenario can anyone propose that would make robots or clones fulfill the antichrist's "showing himself as god" or be related to the antichrist "story"?

They make an image to the beast because he has "shown" people that he is God.

Or, they make an image to the beast because he is beloved and then he shows himself to be God.

Why would they make a robot in honor of their god? Why would they make a clone to honor their god? Everyone is not going to have a robot or clone in their house that they bow down to...

The image of the beast is a TV image. People are tripping while they watch the memorial service for the AC while he is dead. They are injuncted to "pray to God to bring the AC back to life" and he "comes to life".

Moreover, why would this event be supernatural? These are "lying signs and wonders" he does. Meaning they are not really happening.

This drugging is the "sorceries that deceived the nations".

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Sorceries - pharmekia: meaning drugs of sorcery.
 
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Sigh, the only guy who proposes anything realistic that could fulfill prophecy, and has a historical basis for it, gets the "huh", and the robot comment just slides by...

Weak. Seriously.

Which isn't to say there won't be robots, there will indeed be robots "gone wild". And there will probably be clones too. But what scenario can anyone propose that would make robots or clones fulfill the antichrist's "showing himself as god" or be related to the antichrist "story"?

They make an image to the beast because he has "shown" people that he is God.

Or, they make an image to the beast because he is beloved and then he shows himself to be God.

Why would they make a robot in honor of their god? Why would they make a clone to honor their god? Everyone is not going to have a robot or clone in their house that they bow down to...

The image of the beast is a TV image. People are tripping while they watch the memorial service for the AC while he is dead. They are injuncted to "pray to God to bring the AC back to life" and he "comes to life".

Moreover, why would this event be supernatural? These are "lying signs and wonders" he does. Meaning they are not really happening.

This drugging is the "sorceries that deceived the nations".



Sorceries - pharmekia: meaning drugs of sorcery.


Because your response was way out in left-field and shot out of the park. It's a weird response.. perhaps something like that would happen, like the way you said it, but why would it happen specifically like that? We don't have enough understanding of the prophecies yet...
 
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Sigh, the only guy who proposes anything realistic that could fulfill prophecy, and has a historical basis for it, gets the "huh", and the robot comment just slides by...

Weak. Seriously.

Which isn't to say there won't be robots, there will indeed be robots "gone wild". And there will probably be clones too. But what scenario can anyone propose that would make robots or clones fulfill the antichrist's "showing himself as god" or be related to the antichrist "story"?

They make an image to the beast because he has "shown" people that he is God.

Or, they make an image to the beast because he is beloved and then he shows himself to be God.

Why would they make a robot in honor of their god? Why would they make a clone to honor their god? Everyone is not going to have a robot or clone in their house that they bow down to...

The image of the beast is a TV image. People are tripping while they watch the memorial service for the AC while he is dead. They are injuncted to "pray to God to bring the AC back to life" and he "comes to life".

Moreover, why would this event be supernatural? These are "lying signs and wonders" he does. Meaning they are not really happening.

This drugging is the "sorceries that deceived the nations".



Sorceries - pharmekia: meaning drugs of sorcery.
Revelation 13


1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
to me this means the NWO multiheaded political beast gets a deadly wound to one part of it.

this is not refering to an individual at all, but rather a system/kingdom.

that world system fails, and something / someone saves it.
and that saved system is a worldwide political giant that cannot be warred with...

 
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I believe the wound is to the political multiheaded beast, not an individual being.
so, a world system that fails...war...

the "image" could be a flag/standard...of the NWO beast nation.

the multiheaded seven heads of the dragon-beast, is likely to be the last beast kingdom, which was wounded but revived, as in Rome. I have never been very convinced that we are talking about an individual, who has his head wounded by a sword- daft. The image might be the rod of aschlepius of something similar (used now for medical), an emblem like a Roman standard, which people must 'worship' or give allegience to.

not real locust, as they are described, and the description is far from literal locusts. See Joel2.
I think it is Satan's locust army, the 4 staged army...fallen agngels.

i'll look up Joel 2.

it's a hard chapter...i think the horsemen are the locust's, and the army are foot soldiers.

17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

this version of the bible is different in translation- fire, jacinth and brimstone.
 
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There are many things in the book of Revelation that I do not understand, so perhaps here, is opportunity to post what you think about these mysteries.

Before you can decide what the book of Revelation means, you will first have to decide what you believe John saw...

Option 1 -- John saw the actual future events (like a newscast) and inaccurately described them the best he could. For example, John saw helicopters and he recorded that he saw locusts with strange features.

Option 2 -- John saw symbolic imagery (like an animation) and accurately described it. For example, John saw locusts with strange features but they are symbolic of something else.

Based on the visions that Daniel and others had, I believe that John accurately described what he saw, and what he saw was symbolic of something else.

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I believe the wound is to the political multiheaded beast, not an individual being.
so, a world system that fails...war...

the "image" could be a flag/standard...of the NWO beast nation.

the multiheaded seven heads of the dragon-beast, is likely to be the last beast kingdom, which was wounded but revived, as in Rome. I have never been very convinced that we are talking about an individual, who has his head wounded by a sword- daft. The image might be the rod of aschlepius of something similar (used now for medical), an emblem like a Roman standard, which people must 'worship' or give allegience to.

not real locust, as they are described, and the description is far from literal locusts. See Joel2.
I think it is Satan's locust army, the 4 staged army...fallen agngels.

i'll look up Joel 2.

it's a hard chapter...i think the horsemen are the locust's, and the army are foot soldiers.

17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

this version of the bible is different in translation- fire, jacinth and brimstone.

There is a multiplicity of fulfillments. Just because it is or will be fulfilled one way does not exclude the other fulfillments. The flag is one fulfillment of the image unto the beast.

The horses are the 2nd round of the 4 horsemen. Red is war, smoke (Black) is famine, brimstone (yellow) is death. Abaddon from the previous chapter, Trumpet 5, is the 2nd round false Christ.

Now I will say something even more outrageous than before, sure to bring yet more scoffers and mockers.

Whenever I get confused about something from Revelations, I just try to figure out how Star Wars explains it.

Seriously. Most pop culture is explicitly designed by the ruling class to sculpt social behavior. And specifically to get people to worship Satan and the antichrist. And Star Wars is one aspect of that. Most comic books and sci-fi movies are based on Scientology principles (Battlestar Galactica is probably the most direct). Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Warren Ellis etc etc all follow Scientology. Alan Moore created "v for vendetta", it's no coincidence the Occupy Wallstreet protesters wear the v mask/ Guy fawkes mask - it's a Satanic ritual: they are "hypocrites", the original Greek meaning "actor" hence the mask.

Scientology appears to be the religion/ propaganda arm of the "illuminati"/ elites. And Star Wars is pure Satanism. There are "good guys" and "bad guys", and whoever has the might is right. The force is the "source" of magical powers, but the source is not God. It's like Taoism.

Anyway, here's how I see Star Wars and Revelations.

Luke is Lucifer/ the antichrist.

Darth Vader is what Christians would call "God". Since they don't believe in God, this character (Xenu/ Vader) is merely a very powerful man.

The Death Star is New Jerusalem.

C3PO is Satan. If you watch the classic movie Metropolis, you'll see a giant Satanic pentagram behind the robot creation. Angels have multiple meanings to Satanists. One understanding (blaspheming God) is that angels are "robots". They have no sex and are merely created assistants serving the master. God's first "created assistant" is Satan, a robot. In Star Wars, Darth Vader's first robotic creation is C3PO. So when Satan is cast down with his angels at the mid point of the Tribulation, you'll see an army of robots.

The Rebel Alliance is the Apostasy/ Great Falling away.

Tuscan raiders are Muslims. Jawas are Jews. The elites hate Jews, Muslims, and Christians (and minorities - Jar Jar Binks, anyone?). They want to get rid of Abrahamic religion.

The image of the beast is being encased in cryogenic freeze block.

The Sarlac pit in Return of the Jedi is the antichrist being sacrificed into the bottomless pit. The sarlac monster is a reference to a Cthulu type octopus/ squid/ Kraken monster that will be faked at the end of 2012. In science circles, it's been "discovered" that the jellyfish is the evolutionary 1st creature/ in other words "Satan" again.

Yoda is the New Age Maitreya Buddha. Although Yoda is a "little green man" (meaning a Martian alien reference) he is actually a subliminal reference to a grey alien. Maitreya is probably a grey. The thing here is that Maitreya is said to be a master of "time cycles". The elites have corrupted this to be that he is a time-traveller, from our evolutionary future. Humans have "evolved" into greys, in other words greys are not "aliens", they are "future humans".

Chewbacca is a reference to Bigfoot/ Yetis/ monkey men from Planet of the Apes. "God", in their made up storyline that they will try to get people to believe, is an ancient astronaut alien. This alien is a geneticist that caused our evolution- the bigfoot characters serve as "proof" of evolution. These yetis are "Gog" of Gog/ Magog from Muslim eschatology and vanaras of Hindu scriptures.
 
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In the very first verse John explains that his letter is about the things that were going to happen SOON. The key to understanding the book is to ask the questions the first generation of (Jewish) Christians were asking, not impose a bunch of our politics and concerns from 2000 years later! At the time, Jewish Christians were wondering ... what now? The Messiah had been. The Messiah had, shockingly, died. The Messiah had miraculously risen to new life and solved the universal problem of sin. The Messiah had ascended to heaven.

What now for Israel? What now for Christians? And especially what now, given that the Roman authorities were about to turn savage; and change from "God's servants to do you good" (Romans 13) into the vicious beasts and very image of Satan on earth that we meet in Revelation! Had God failed his people? How are we to understand all the Old Testament promises of God to his people when they are about to experience such suffering? What does it even mean to belong to God's people now when the gospel can belong to all nations, all across the globe, in every tongue and culture and land? And how are Christians to respond to the Roman persecution? Should they declare Jihad? Or do Christians have another example?

These were the concerns John was writing to, the burning questions of the church in the first century. The idea that God would get John to write, "Gee, you guys think you have it bad, wait till you see what happens in 2012!!" is laughably absurd. Well, would be laughable, if so many Christians were not caught up in it.

Revelation is simply the gospel message applied to a church suffering the horror of Roman persecution. Once we set Revelation in its Roman context, it becomes a glorious book of comforting to *all* Christians in *all* ages. We see how they survived and witnessed to God's glory, and are comforted by the gospel message that in the end, the Lord WILL return and rescue his people and judge his enemies. It's the gospel promise, not the gospel timetable! It's not some B-Grade thriller that Tim Lahaye might write, designed merely to titillate our anticipation of just how special we are in our special generation in our own special nations and special politics and special theories! It's not about us! Really! It's about explaining the gospel promises to the first century Jewish Christians who were about to have their whole world turned upside down. It explained that they could have confidence that the Messiah was still reigning victoriously, from heaven, even though bad things still happened on the earth. It's about not trusting in worldly authorities, money, security, and power. It's about not siding with 'beasts' when ever and where ever they arise. And so John explains the Old testament promises in the picture language we call 'apocalyptic language' (a form of writing from 200BC to 200AD). It's like bible manga, and is only understood in the context of what was about to happen soon to John's generation.

Anything else may as well be special readings from Nostradamus.
 
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