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My "what do you call yourself " poll

pick one already!!

  • Messianic Jewish

  • Jewish or Jewish convert

  • Messianic Christian

  • Messianic Gerah Toshav (for Henny :) )

  • Messianic Believer (for Zemmy :) ) and anyone else.

  • Messianic Karaite ( don't even need to say!)

  • Messianic Gentile

  • Pastor George

  • none, labels are stupid, in fact, this poll is stupid!

  • [ Blank ] : for those who I left out! I'm sorry...:(


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Well, it's late and I can't sleep(clown will eat me!) because I'm coming down with a cold. I probably caught it from Zemmy! Thanks Zemmy!^_^
Anyway since I bombed my last poll, I figured I'd redue it.
Just ignore the other one, it will eventually disappear into the pile of forgotten threads. I'm pretty sure I covered all the "labels" this time so enjoy!

Oh and the search finally worked and I found the thread I was looking for:
http://www.christianforums.co.uk/t60336&page=1
Very informative!

Page 8 has an entertaining link to yafet's thread. I had no idea he was so outgoing!:)
 

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OH BB -- Bless ya, I seriously thought about choosing the last option, just to play with ya!!!! :D Bwhahahahaa!


I would dearly love to be able to choose Jewish Believer, but erm... uhm, I'm still not Jewish (please note, I was unable to convert between noon and midnight... don't think I didn't consider it. ;) J/K!!!! - oh man, if you thought I was smart aleck-y when I was just getting a bit of this flu bug... now I am also Zemmy the Insomniac! :eek: ~watch out!~)

So ya know, I think I'm going to go with Henny's Messianic Ger (ah? :sorry:) Toshav.
 
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View Poll Results: pick one already!!



Messianic Jewish
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Jewish or Jewish convert
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Henaynei, Zemirah
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Jewish Believer (for Zemmy :) ) and anyone else.
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none, labels are stupid, in fact, this poll is stupid!
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[ Blank ] : for those who I left out! I'm sorry...:(
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If we are to pick one then how is BB a
Messianic Christian
Jewish Believer
Messianic Gentile
none, labels are stupid, in fact, this poll is stupid! :scratch:
 
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If we are to pick one then how is BB a
Messianic Christian
Jewish Believer
Messianic Gentile
none, labels are stupid, in fact, this poll is stupid!

LOL- Because I'm special!!!!!
That's why! Hey... My poll, my rules!!!^_^
J/k, I pick a bunch to mess with'ya, I was going to pick them all but decided against it!
 
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I would dearly love to be able to choose Jewish Believer, but erm... uhm, I'm still not Jewish (please note, I was unable to convert between noon and midnight... don't think I didn't consider it. J/K!!!! - oh man, if you thought I was smart aleck-y when I was just getting a bit of this flu bug... now I am also Zemmy the Insomniac! ~watch out!~)

Ya I know, I messed up again..:( I thought you said Jewish beleiver on the other thread. But I woke up this morning thinking "maybe she said messianic beleiver").
Sorry, but I'm sure one of those others will do!:D


What? What was the comment about Messianic Karaites supposed to mean? What?

Hmmm, I wonder....
Everyone knows who the messianic karaite is! That one probably fit me to but I don't feel I know enough about karaism to choose it.

I voted: Pastor George.

Hey! that was for PG! Now go back up there and pick Jewish convert! That one was for you!(if your able to pick it yet that is!):)
 
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brentsbaby612 said:
Hmmm, I wonder....
Everyone knows who the messianic karaite is! That one probably fit me to but I don't feel I know enough about karaism to choose it.

In "modern christianspeak" all it really is is "sola scripura Judaism." :)

I mean that's -it.- That's -it- -it- :)

Peace!
-Steve-o
 
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In "modern christianspeak" all it really is is "sola scripura Judaism."

I mean that's -it.- That's -it- -it-

Huh?..For some reason, many of you posts just go over my head man! ...Wait is that Solo- scriptural- judaism. Yeah I know that much about it, I've been reading a lot on it. Karaism fits a lot more with my beliefs, but I still don't know how to say it, my dictionary discribes it differently then you have said before. If I'm trying to descibe my beliefs to someone it would be really bad to pronounce it wrong!!:o
 
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Hey! that was for PG! Now go back up there and pick Jewish convert! That one was for you!(if your able to pick it yet that is!):)
I haven't finished my conversion as of yet... so I'll continue to stick with PG ;)
Though I do appreciate the inclusion of something 'just for me' :)
 
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sola scriptura is a Greek declaration made by the protestants. Instead of basing theology off of what an individual (the pope) says, or off of tradition, they based theology soley off of scriptural principles. Thadman is making a play on words by making it sola scriptura Judaism, basically stating that he rejects Jewish traditions, halacha, etc.

The funny thing about Nehemiah Gordon (often seen as the leader of the movement, though technically there isn't one), and people like him, is that they do in fact make halacha, but out of the other side of their mouth they state halacha is evil. To me, the majority of Karaites are hypocritical in that nature.... creating their own halacha while 'rejecting all' of halacha.

just my 2 cents.
 
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simchat_torah said:
sola scriptura is a Greek declaration made by the protestants. Instead of basing theology off of what an individual (the pope) says, or off of tradition, they based theology soley off of scriptural principles. Thadman is making a play on words by making it sola scriptura Judaism, basically stating that he rejects Jewish traditions, halacha, etc.

Sola scriptura was really it's Protestant moniker, but the principle has been around a long time before the Protestant movement within Karaism. Other than that point, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head akhi. :)

The funny thing about Nehemiah Gordon (often seen as the leader of the movement, though technically there isn't one), and people like him, is that they do in fact make halacha, but out of the other side of their mouth they state halacha is evil. To me, the majority of Karaites are hypocritical in that nature.... creating their own halacha while 'rejecting all' of halacha.

just my 2 cents.

I love you, too Yafet ;)

Nehemiah Gordon is the "leader" of the "World Karaite Movement," but is strictly anti-Messianic. Here's a sample of some email correspondence I've had with him as of late:

Shalom Steve,

I am responding to your querry.* I think I understand where you are coming from and I welcome a dialogue.* However, I want to make it clear that Karaites do not believe in Jesus or Yeshua.* Of course, we believe he existed and some such as myself even think he was a righteous man who pointed people to Torah.* However, we do not look to him as a Messiah or even a prophet.* If you can respect that this is a basic Karaite appraisal of the man, we can dialogue.* If you wish to re-define Karaism as a branch of Messianism or even to speak of Karaite Messianics (like Muslim Christians), then please do not waste my time.*

Nehemia

Seeing that I'm not going to get any help from him I've been setting up a Messianic Karaite website that will deal with the various issues in Karaism under a Messianic light.

http://www.AramaicNT.org/MessianicKaraites

When it comes to halacha, it is all a matter of semantics. To put things bluntly, Karaism rejects rabbinic traditions and believes that all practices should stem directly from scripture, not "scriptural principles" or the "sayings of the fathers," and leaves all interpretations up to the same scrutiny.

This does, as a result, allow for diversity of opinion, but we believe that it -should- be that way. Where Rabbinicism believes that there is a set definition of work on the Sabbath, a Karaite would simply say, "Don't work on the Sabbath! That's all God says!" because, face it: If an 8-year-old math whiz were to be doing math problems on a Friday night for recreation, he's not working. If I, someone who despises math, were to do the same, it would be drudgery! :)

In the end, we're all accountable to God and he knows the motives in our heart, so it's best not to "walk on the wild side" and simply do what he wants: Rest on the Sabbath. :)

Peace!
-Steve-o
 
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love you, too Yafet ;)
bah...i did say 'majority' ;)

Quite seriously, Nehemiah Gordon does create halacha. For example, he is strictly against having a fire on shabbat, but he declares assuredly that a pilot light on a furnace is ok. Seems by all standards, that this is a halachic decision. But then he will tell you halacha is evil.

*shrug*

This is one example of many that I could use.

The thing that started Karaite views is the corruption of halacha. I do believe that particular halachic decisions need review, but I do not deny the need for halacha. Halacha was intended to help us follow the torah as a community.

I would continue, but this is an obvious rabbit trail that should probably continue elsewhere.

-yafet
 
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