My visions of hell.

[Kazane]

So you believe that God sends people to a place where they are not only roasted alive forever but are also skinned alive repeatedly as their skin is regenerated to make eternal skinning possible? That is some disgustingly sick mentality you are describing there amigo!

BTW
Any entity who approves of such a thing has no business telling others not to sin since such an entity is itself a sinner. In fact, I seriously doubt that such an entity is sane.

No. God does not send people there we send ourselves there through the power of God due to our actions here on earth, God has a place for everyone and it's up to you where you want to end up as he gives us freedom of choice and i'm sure he would prefer to see everyone ending up in heaven if they only truly desired this themselves.
Let's put it this way if you want around in life doing nothing but smiling and trying to make people smile you would probably only ever see people smiling in your mind in your alone time because this is what you truly desire but if you went around killing people then in your own time you would probably only see images of death blood and gore.
So someone that enjoys going around killing can truly not desire to sit in eternity being happy around happy people otherwise why would they be doing such negative acts here?

 

[GirdYourLoins]

There is power in the person of Jesus
and using his name to remind oneself
of the person. So in that respect, there
is some power.


There are no "Power in the name" passages.
Important concepts are covered in scripture
by multiple authors.

It was not Jesus nature to say that there was power in His name as he was humble. He didnt call himself the Son of God either so by your reasoning does that mean He's not the Son of God? He did send the disciples out with authority to heal the sick and cast out demons in Matthew 10:1. In Matthew 28:18-19 Jesus says that all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Him. The cultural context of giving someone authority was that they carried the delegated authority of the person who sent them. a modern equivalent would be someone appointed directly by the president. The name conveys the authority that the person who sent them has. Another example is a policeman saying stop in the name of the law. The word "law"does not have power but conveys the power of the law, so using this phrase conveys the power in the name of the law.

 

[Dirk1540]

I think there's a reason for it that doesn't necessarily involve "Jesus's name being one of power".

After all, names are what you make of them. If no one had ever heard of Jesus, people would barely have a reaction, or just "Jesus who"? If the Bible was just found today, people might have a level of indifference or whatever, or mild interest.

But the reason for the reaction for Jesus's name and not Mohammad, as I see it, is simple: Muslims don't say "Believe Mohammad existed or you'll go to hell!" people know Mohammad existed as a prophet, but for most people he was nothing more than that, a prophet, unless you're Islam. With Jesus, however, people know primarily of the "if you don't believe in Jesus you go to hell" doctrine of Christianity (a reason that is having me doubt it tbh), and thus that has Christianity gain a bad reputation to the public as "preachy/pushy" at best and "intolerantly hateful and trying to indoctrinate you" at worst.

Muslims don't say that Hell is a penalty for rejecting Allah?? Try again!! We are talking about COMMONLY HELD BELIEFS BY LAYPERSONS!! Commonly held beliefs by laypersons is that believers in Allah are rewarded with a bunch of virgins in Heaven, and that deniers rot in Hell. Commonly held beliefs about Islam also includes beliefs that mass suicide bombers are rewarded in Paradise!! Are you honestly gonna debate that 'Commonly held beliefs' of Islam is not an outrage to your average non-religious person??

If anything you would expect our politically correct society to be even more enraged at the notion of a religion that says MALE believers will be rewarded by a bunch of female virgins!!

Once again the 'Logic' of the left is completely self defeating. The most absurd contradiction of logic that I've ever known in my life is that the left is both pro-women's rights AND pro-Islam...YEY the religion of Islam treats dogs with more respect than it treats women. The logic of the left is completely mind boggling.

 

[bangmegafan]

Here is what i can explain only as visions of hell from a personal experience that will now always be a part of who i am.

Prior to this happening to me i had never been what you would call religious but i also wasn't a bad person either i would always try my best to be fair and honest if people had ever asked me if i believed in god i used to laugh and say "no i don't but i definitely believe in something" i remember a good 8 years a go or so when a man with a bible approached me in the street and asked if i had any time and the people i was with shook there head and said "come on don't waste your time with him" but i was the type of person to ask questions and give people the time so i sat down and spoke with him and he did actually bless me in the streets and i was grateful but i still walked away as a non believer had always tried to do the right thing in life and tried to always stop bad things and bad people.
currently at this time in my life i was taking around 180mg of valium a day smoking weed drinking alcohol and taking other drugs too, one of the things i was smoking at the time is what people over the world today call "spice" a legal high here in the UK and i t wasn't till managed to get off this drug that i actually heard people that had been users of heroin for years were actually giving up the heroin for this "legal high" that is how strong it actually was and i didn't even no about that. once i had finally landed the job i wanted to be in and was happy in i decided to just completely stop taking all of these things... which was a very bad idea i didn't sleep for 3 nights straight and still turned up to work everyday i didn't no why i wasn't sleeping i didn't link it to withdrawals but that's what it was and that's when the following happened to me.

This was actually a couple years a go now so things are a little hazy but from what i can remember i was shown my life in different boxes a long corridor of lots of cells/boxes in each cell it had the beginning the middle and the end of how those lifestyles would go for me and what would happen if i chose what certain lifestyles to live and at this time i was smoking weed and taking other drugs too and drinking alcohol because i never really valued myself or life i lived, an example of the lifes presented to me in boxes were one of the boxes showed me walking in circles in a box just constantly getting up and moving around to fulfil the same pleasure hits everyday with no one truly around me because the same people walking in these circles were also walking the same circles to just fulfil their pleasure hits too and it felt like an eternity i was there for everything then rushed past me at great speed almost as if the environment was moving and i was still in open space and i then remember being in what seemed like underground caves but everything was very enclosed i don't actually know how there was space for me to be there and there was flames and people burning in them i could just hear very loud screaming of people and i could tell they were in a lot of pain. i saw some people just walking around in the flames looking at one another almost as if they had been there for so long that they were
used to the pain but just unhappy with where they was with there flesh burning off to then only grow back onto their face again and then to repeat that same cycle to then burn off them again it was really hard to breath there and had a smoggy foul scent at this point i was outside of some big gates i saw a lot of celebrities behind these gates too i wouldn't no which ones they where or who they were but i just knew that there was celebrities there some how and once again i felt as if it was another eternity spent there. After that i think
i was whisked away and moved by something very quickly away from this setting and into the next one, and i remember walking around my house and seeing body organs everywhere smeared over all the walls like livers intestines lungs and all sorts.. but no blood what so ever.i then think i was shown how i would describe as "seeing the end" for everyone i no in my house too for example as i walked into my dads room he was sitting up in his bed with his head moving from side to side almost as if he was trapped in his own mind and blinded and couldn't see and i felt that he was trapped in his head not knowing where he was or what he was doing (about half a year after this happened my dad has now gone and had eye surgery to get his lenses removed and artificial ones put in, which i tried to warn him not too and i told him it will not be a good idea, but he didn't listen to me and he has never been
spiritual what so ever he's in fact very opposite to that... this really scared me and brought back flashing memories of the visions i once saw of him "sitting blind in his bed") i was then again back in these underground caves where there was this giant demonic being sitting in a big asphalt roller rolling back and fourth over peoples body organs flattening them in rage just going back and forth back and forth with a twisted evil face full of pleasure and evil shortly after i was shown some disturbing things of which i now no to be deadly sins
but at the time i had no understanding of these things and i hardly knew the correct words that fitted these acts. I saw someone that was ripping out there own stomach guts and eating them while in immense pain and they were crying while doing so and it was an endless cycle that carried on and on and on they were vomiting too and eating that back up and it was just one big horrible scene. i was trapped somewhere for a very long time taking the most shallow of breaths constantly with what felt like no air to breath, when i finally
got out of that bit i finally felt like i was taking the longest breaths i could in and then out and it was as if brown mountains where coming out of my lungs and i had to keep up with these breaths in order to out run the brown mountains that where chasing me and in order to live, i remember towards the end of this my head getting bigger and bigger like bigger until it was bigger then the the earth and my head was resting on a dusty planet that looked dark and grey like the moon and i had a tiny little body like a matchstick body and i remember somehow pressing the back of my head when this had happened because i had a floppy disc drive in the back of my head and a floppy disc popped out i felt like i literally ejected my whole being and consciousness. A scary part about all of this is after all this happened and i started getting better my mum went to a catholic school when she was a kid and she isn't a catholic at all but she knows a few things from going to a catholic school, she then told me that the bible says that there is no blood in hell because blood is for the living which sent goose bumps all over my body at the time and it really made a lot of sense to me from where i had just been, i also saw and felt when i got better towards the end of all these visions almost as if i was in my own veins which seemed like caves at the time and i remember a bright red blood that felt pure and fresh and had life in and this was when i was living and breathing again here in reality and was learning words again. Another part i remember is a lot of people running in a white mist just running constantly as far as they could until they dropped and people would just keep dropping at different places down to how good there health was you would just have to keep running and running constantly to see how far you could run till it felt like a test. i was then whisked away again to somewhere that was miles and miles underwater in what felt like was the deepest sea to be in and at the bottom there was an underground city sealed in big air locks that had tubes and everything there, and i was undergoing a test in there and people wanted to find out who i truly was and i felt myself constantly morphing into what i thought they wanted to see me as just so i could get through that test and let them see what it was i thought they wanted to see they were very serious and scary being in there so for most of the time spent there i was the massive and great Poseidon and they had all bowed to me in fear while i was in there homes under the sea, and they kept wanting to put me in this machine to check my genes and DNA to see if i really was who it was i was saying i was and it felt like i was there for a long time at the end of what felt like another eternity of being in another environment the machine turned me into a chicken and i heard the sea monsters say "ah he's just a chicken" and i clucked along the floor to get out of that place and i then was whisked away again being dragged up through miles and miles of sea looking back and down on the underground city structure that i was once in and what had felt like an eternity that i spent there. I also remember the great feeling of feeling as if i had a "bug"/ virus in my arm and under my skin that word just constantly rung in my mind at this point "bug" and i felt as if it just wouldn't come out and it was inside of me like a tracking device in a sense too and i just had to get it out at some point through a lot of all of this i was being assisted by what felt like an in built customer service program that was constantly giving me help and words of wisdom all the way through a lot of all of this once i had came back from the underwater
part and i tried accessing the customer service help again (which was kinda like two women sitting at a desk advising me and talking to me when i needed them too with headsets on) i went back to access them to see what they had to say and the whole room had been flooded and they were both dead and i remember them saying i cant keep using this service all the time i shouldn't be using it as many times as i was but eventually they were gone too
and there was no one picking up the phones when i was calling them and no one there to answer. after this it was as if i was laying in the middle of black empty space alone and dying very rapidly but i was pulling medics from all different nations from all over the earth and they were all different languages through worm holes and they were all rushing through one and then aiding me and rushing back out through another and i had so many of them rushing through at different times trying to bring me back to life and to help heal me and i knew that i couldn't have to many different nations of people there at the same time because then they would no that i was using what at the time what i would of described as time travel and instead of individually attending to me quickly and then exiting again through a worm hole i got the impression that they would stop and speak to each other and realise what was actually going on and that they were actually coming through worm holes
to help me and it felt as if i needed every single second of every individual to come and aid me otherwise i would not of stood a chance at being healed. some were rushing in with hospital bed type things on wheels some with defibrillators some with med kits and i felt that i couldn't compromise time and allow them to know where they were or what i t was they were actually doing they just knew they had to be there and they had to try to help, and as i said if for instance a German one had stopped and realised there was an African one there
he would then want to stop and start speaking to them and catch on to what was actually going on and i really felt like i needed every single second from every single individual. afterwards i was in the middle of complete black space with no light what so ever and i remember flying through this space at great speeds for what seemed like thousands of miles in every direction just looking for something someone or anything that just wasn't pitch blackness and i was doing this for a what felt like an eternity just searching for something
until in the distance i saw a little pinhole of white light slightly glowing hundreds of miles away and so i rushed to it flying and gliding as fast as i could until i went straight into it and then after that it felt as if i saw sets of seven of a lot different things the first things were a set of seven white lights all miles apart and i think i was being flung from to another or through one and out another this part is a bit hazy though as i just remember just witnessing sets of seven of a lot of different things i saw seven flames like perfect single candle flames all too miles apart from each other and i cant really clearly remember other things that were in sets of seven i just remember at the time the number seven feeling very significant. I live on the south east coast of England and after that i remember coming through what seemed to be like the bottom of a water slide and i was falling down through the sky for quite some time until below me i could see a tiny little island and it started getting bigger and bigger and here in our hill tops in our town we have a big red travel carriage thing that people pay money to sit in and it takes you up the rocky hills on tracks and i remember seeing this from a great distance as i was falling through the clouds getting closer and closer to the shore lines i kept on falling closer and closer to the land until i could see the top of my house and i carried on falling and i then came straight through the top of the roof of my house and straight back into my body and my eyes just instantly opened almost as if everything had happened in a mere blink and i was then back in my body and i had the most strangest sensation of then feeling like i was laying down looking up instead of falling down and looking down, it made me feel slightly dizzy but only for a second, the only way i can describe the last feeling was like the last couple of seconds before something
calibrates perfect back into perfect working order. and there i was laying in my bed again alive and breathing and awake in the same world with a completely different perspective.
And please remember prior to all of this happening i really had no insight or knowledge of the bible what so ever, i had no understanding of significant number meanings no conscious knowledge of hell and heaven or things like that ( apart from living a blind life watching movies and things like that) and i really had no understanding of god and his true word what so ever, but yet after all of that happening to me the only way i could describe it is that i died been to hell and then was given a second chance so this is when i started believing, reading the bible and truly looking at the world from a complete different perspective.
because for the first month or two that i was back here nothing made any sense to me what so ever i kind of had to learn everything again it felt as if my brain had been wiped and it was clean and fresh like i was a child again and the only things i could make sense of the only things i could actually understand and the ONLY things that did make sense to me from there on out was the bible and Internet videos about god weather i liked it or not. Hebrew also seemed very easy to learn and understand too because i felt like i had a fresh mind i could see more clearly and certain things seemed a waste of time and other things seemed to speak to me very easily so that's when i started learning Hebrew too. after learning the alphabet from Hebrew and the vowel points from the Internet it was then at a later date that that i had gone up to visit the Jehovah witnesses church because once again i was learning things over again and with them knocking at my door at the time and me not having any
understanding of bibles or people really it felt like a nice invitation to meet like minded people and i got one of their copies of the bible off them. after reading a little bit of it with them i told them that i was interested in Hebrew and they showed me that the bible actually had the Hebrew letters in it then when i got home that day i wanted to check to see if the king James bible too had the Hebrew alphabet in and i discovered it did which really made me want to carry on learning the language that i seemed to understand very well and it seemed more then just a coincidence that the language i had been enjoying was written in the only book that made sense to me at the time.

This was my experience and make of it what you will but i hope by posting this here it at least makes sense to some people and helps people too.

Jesus is living God.. Whoever believes in him and follow his commands will not be perished.. I dont think those visions are nonsense and from satan.. And they are not absolutely from demons or satan as they will not reveal you that you are sinner and going to hell. If you arr 99% spoiled, satan wanted to spoil 100% and he doesn't want to make you beleieve that you will go to hell. Their aim is throw you to hell without giving you any hint/clue that your are going there as long as you are under their control


This vision is from holy spirit. Holy Spirit will give you clue sometimes according to your condition..Did you accept your sins in Jesus name. Then Im sure you wont receive such a vision again.

 

[Radrook]

That vision is full of false accusations against the personality of God.
It makes him out to be a criminally insane sadist. For that reason alone it should be rejected as a revelation from God and tagged as very likely being demon inspired or Satanically approved. God would not denigrate his own personality it that manner.

Was the Doctrine of Hell Manufactured by Theologians?

 

[Dirk1540]

The very fact that you do not believe in the existence of Hell or that God sends people to Hell for their sins invalidates your faith. You are not a Christian.

Regarding Hell, actually regarding Christianity, there are a few books that I always want people to read, hoping to get their opinions, this is one of them,

The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment, Third Edition: Edward William Fudge: 9781608999309: Amazon.com: Books

It's a scripture based argument by a Christian against eternal torment for non believers, whether you agree with him or not very interesting argument. Oh and by the way he's not alone in this interpretation of scripture (vs early church traditions that took on a life of their own).

 

[Kazane]

You still don't get it? Torture is immoral and anyone who institutes it and approves of it shares the blame. Especially the one who set it up. Making as if you don't see doesn't help your case. The fact is you are describing an entity that condemns sin in humans while it itself being a sadistic monster. You admire that kind of entity? That is your problem. I do not.

No of course not what about that is admirable? and i think you completely misunderstood what i said, if one can picture and capture everything good and pure then one must also realise that not everyone is like what they see.. unfortunately.

 

[Kazane]

In contrast I don't take it upon myself to judge your status before God simply because you believe him capable of being as cruel as you are describing him to be. I leave that type opf evaluation totally in his hands since I don't qualify to be your judge. I can say that you are doing God a great disservice by accusing him as establishing such a horrendously immoral punishment for sin. But beyond that your eternal destiny is totally between you an him.

Neither do I hold any animosity or grudges against you for holding such a monstrously blasphemous view of our heavenly Father. I fully understand that you are merely a product of your religious upbringing which included such a horrendous teaching and that you sincerely believe that you are right.

However, sincerity doesn't make one right and neither does sincerity deserve to be placed above truth. Furthermore, as a Christian have the responsibility to defend my heavenly Father from any attempt, be it sincere or not, at defamation of his character. Such teachings that depict him as sadistically cruel I perceive as simply satanic attempts to make God appear as criminally insane.
Since that is the case, I expose them for what they are-Devil inspired lies by non other than the Father of the lie Satan the Devil himself.

That you tag me as a non-Christian, a pagan, heathen is really of no importance. What is important is that the propagation of this blasphemy be revealed for what it is.

Wow.. IF you actually take religion seriously which i really doubt you do i think you need to scrap everything you know my friend and start from the beginning again.

 

[Kazane]

Jesus is living God.. Whoever believes in him and follow his commands will not be perished.. I dont think those visions are nonsense and from satan.. And they are not absolutely from demons or satan as they will not reveal you that you are sinner and going to hell. If you arr 99% spoiled, satan wanted to spoil 100% and he doesn't want to make you beleieve that you will go to hell. Their aim is throw you to hell without giving you any hint/clue that your are going there as long as you are under their control


This vision is from holy spirit. Holy Spirit will give you clue sometimes according to your condition..Did you accept your sins in Jesus name. Then Im sure you wont receive such a vision again.

I really did yes and my life has turned around massively for the better ever since and i am so happy i done so the only thing i regret is that i didn't notice these signs and repent sooner.
And thank you for your kind reply brother.

 

[bangmegafan]

I really did yes and my life has turned around massively for the better ever since and i am so happy i done so the only thing i regret is that i didn't notice these signs and repent sooner.
And thank you for your kind reply brother.

Praise the Lord almighty.. Amen

 

[Radrook]

Wow.. IF you actually take religion seriously which i really doubt you do i think you need to scrap everything you know my friend and start from the beginning again.

I'm not the one describing the creator as being a criminally insane.

BTW
The Aztecs took religion extremely seriously just as you do. They would have accused me of not taking it seriously of course since I would have rejected their bloodthirsty views. Taking things seriously means nothing unless what you are taking seriously has merit. What you are teaching people about the creator's personality has none despite your sincerity in spreading it. I also find your total inability to perceive its hideous implications disturbing in a very sinister way.

 

[Radrook]

No of course not what about that is admirable? and i think you completely misunderstood what i said, if one can picture and capture everything good and pure then one must also realise that not everyone is like what they see.. unfortunately.

In what way have I misunderstood your claim that the dream where the creator sends people to be flayed and roasted alive forever while expecting the rest of mankind to agree, admire and worship him is the way your god sends people to be punished? Even worse, you describe that garbage as being pure and good and condemn people for finding it offensive? YIKES!

Isaiah 5:20 ►
New International Version
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Luke 11:35
Be careful, then, that the light within you is not darkness.

 

[SkyWriting]

In what way have I misunderstood your claim that the dream where the creator sends people to be flayed and roasted alive forever while expecting the rest of mankind to agree, admire and worship him is the way your god sends people to be punished?

God allows people to not Trust in Him. Then, they do not end up
being bothered by Him for all eternity either. It's very fair.
Then they are tormented by that decision. Can't help that.

 

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