My Unoffensive Challenge

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Not at all, especially in context here.
The previous description was "savage beating" which looks like
not at all what was meant.

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Yes it is! You, sir, have more twists than an octopus trying to tie it's shoes.

Nicholas Deka said:

They were allowed to beat their slaves pretty savagely.

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This (apparently) was not the standard, and not the verse quoted.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Yes it is! You, sir, have more twists than an octopus trying to tie it's shoes.

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If you read in context in the TORAH,
"savage beating" was not the norm, and you will or may find that it was not permitted.
Being struck as in once is much different than savage beatings.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

If you read in context in the TORAH,
"savage beating" was not the norm, and you will or may find that it was not permitted.
Being struck as in once is much different than savage beatings.

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And struck can be used in both the plural or the singular.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

And struck can be used in both the plural or the singular.

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So ? (if that is so)

Duh --- (Light goes on to read the previous verses/ check context , etc)
See the previous verse : (any two people, not just owner/slave) :
18 “If two people fight, and one hits the other with a stone or with his fist, and the injured party doesn’t die but is confined to his bed; 19 then, if he recovers enough to be able to walk around outside, even if with a cane, the attacker will be free of liability, except to compensate him for his loss of time and take responsibility for his care until his recovery is complete.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Who was allowed to ?

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Read your Bible it's all there.
Exodus 21

yeshuaslavejeff said:

So ? (if that is so)

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If you don't know basic English, that's not my fault.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Duh --- (Light goes on to read the previous verses/ check context , etc)
See the previous verse : (any two people, not just owner/slave) :
18 “If two people fight, and one hits the other with a stone or with his fist, and the injured party doesn’t die but is confined to his bed; 19 then, if he recovers enough to be able to walk around outside, even if with a cane, the attacker will be free of liability, except to compensate him for his loss of time and take responsibility for his care until his recovery is complete.

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And Exodus 20:20-21 is about slaves, the topic of which we are talking about in this metadebate.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

And Exodus 20:20-21 is about slaves, the topic of which we are talking about in this metadebate.

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? so ? Read the context if you want to come closer to the meaning.

Read TORAH if you want to know how slaves were treated in Israel.

When you pull one or two verses out of context and purposefully continue to misconstrue TORAH and Israel, it benefits no one.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

If you don't know basic English, that's not my fault.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

? so ? Read the context if you want to come closer to the meaning.

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The context was that in the Old Testament, if a slaveowner beat his slave and did not kill him, he would not be punished. IT'S NOT. THAT. HARD.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Read TORAH if you want to know how slaves were treated in Israel.

When you pull one or two verses out of context and purposefully continue to misconstrue TORAH and Israel, it benefits no one.

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No, you're just being purposefully obtuse about the whole thing.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

No, you're just being purposefully obtuse about the whole thing.

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A false statement was made,
and I simply opened the door so anyone who wants to can find the truth about it.
You don't have to read TORAH if you don't want to.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

A false statement was made,
and I simply opened the door so anyone who wants to can find the truth about it.
You don't have to read TORAH if you don't want to.

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What false statement? The Torah and the Old Testament clearly says in Exodus 21:20-21 that if a slaveowner beat a slave but did not kill them, then the slaveowner would not be punished. Case closed.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

What false statement? The Torah and the Old Testament clearly says in Exodus 21:20-21 that if a slaveowner beat a slave but did not kill them, then the slaveowner would not be punished. Case closed.

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If you had bothered to read the thread/ previous posts,
you would realize that was never in question.

If you don't know basic English, that's not my fault.

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Really ? (just noticed, more fully)
So perhaps , likely, kidnapping and attacking father and mother was "practiced" too ? More than "savagely beating" slaves ?
There's laws in the united states against murder.
Does that mean murder is practiced by most of the people ?
See? Treating slaves in ISRAEL was much better than living in any other country at the time .
It was even much better than living in the untied states or most countries TODAY !

The slaves were better protected by TORAH than babies are in the USA TODAY.
They were also better protected by TORAH than women and girls and boy are in the USA TODAY .
The whole TORAH was beneficial, wonderful, and GOD'S WAY of directing the life of HIS PEOPLE (there were NO OTHER NATIONS with hope at that time) .
GOD is perfect, complete, righteous and just, as well as merciful.
HE KNOWS what people need.
HE KNOWS what to do, and what they need to do to be "safe and healthy".

Exodus 21:
15 “Whoever attacks his father or mother must be put to death.

16 “Whoever kidnaps someone must be put to death, regardless of whether he has already sold him or the person is found still in his possession.

17 “Whoever curses his father or mother must be put to death.

18 “If two people fight, and one hits the other with a stone or with his fist, and the injured party doesn’t die but is confined to his bed; 19 then, if he recovers enough to be able to walk around outside, even if with a cane, the attacker will be free of liability, except to compensate him for his loss of time and take responsibility for his care until his recovery is complete.

(ii) 20 “If a person beats his male or female slave with a stick so severely that he dies, he is to be punished; 21 except that if the slave lives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his property.

22 “If people are fighting with each other and happen to hurt a pregnant woman so badly that her unborn child dies, then, even if no other harm follows, he must be fined. He must pay the amount set by the woman’s husband and confirmed by judges. 23 But if any harm follows, then you are to give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound and bruise for bruise.

Paul Finch said:

Read your Bible it's all there.
Exodus 21

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Warden_of_the_Storm said:

No, you're just being purposefully obtuse about the whole thing.

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It must be a Christian thing because they all do it.

YEP !

Paul Finch said:

It must be a Christian thing because they all do it.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

(ii) 20 “If a person beats his male or female slave with a stick so severely that he dies, he is to be punished; 21 except that if the slave lives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his property.

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Who would worship a God that would condone owning people as slaves?
The truth is there are no gods just the imaginings of men.