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Such a bad translation. I'll stick to NKJV. The NLT corrupted this verse to give it a different meaning. Not to mention Proverbs are the thoughts and sayings of a man not God Himself.Proverbs 20:24 NLT - "The LORD directs our steps, so why try to understand everything along the way?"
Such a bad translation. I'll stick to NKJV. The NLT corrupted this verse to give it a different meaning.
A man’s steps are of the Lord;
How then can a man understand his own way?
Well not to derail but I would like to point out another egregious translation error.The NLT is such a great translation . . . I love it. The KJV is amazing as well:
Proverbs 20:24 KJV - "Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?"
Proverbs 20:24 NLT - "The LORD directs our steps, so why try to understand everything along the way?"
I love the overall consistency of the two.
Understood!If it were not for the NLT, I would have never come to understand what was being conveyed in the KJV and NKJV translations.
The NLT is flat-out amazing!
Now we know there is a preplanning with God. We each have a book written with our purpose in it. (Jeremiah 1:5, Acts 17:26-27, Psa 139:16-18)
But we see that this written book has multiple pathways depending upon our actions. (2Sa 12:7-12, Jer 15:19)
We also see that God does not have perfect knowledge of how man will act (Gen 6:6-7).
So the discussion will now focus on the scriptures used by Calvinism (a doctrine which I disagree with), to say that man is assigned as saved, or unsaved status before the earth was created. Let’s look at the first one.
Romans 8:29-30 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called*; whom He called*, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
*call, summon, invite
Foreknew, there is no denying that God foreknows each of us. That there is a degree of planning with God. But where this plan is laid down is not known, it could be one generation before we were born, or it could be at creation or both.
I argue that God calls all men, to the truth, all men to repent (Acts 17:30). I believe that all men are predestined to life, all men are called, but only those who respond are saved, some choose to blind themselves (John 15:24, Mat 23:37).
We see from the Greek definition of the word call, that it means to “call out to”, summon, or invite. The meaning to invite, or summon, fits with the idea of God calling out to men in Christ. We might all be predestined, but only those who accept the invitation will receive life.
Eph 1:4-11 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
Ephesians (above) also talks about this choice. Calvinistic thought will say that is a definite choice, that God selects some and not others. But the choice here could be referring to the method God will use to save men, faith. God still “chose us”, because of our faith, we were chosen by our response to Christ.
We know that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world (1Pe 1:20). This does not mean his body was slain before creation, but rather the method was selected before creation. In the same way, the choice of who would be saved was chosen before creation began, we were predestined. We were called to “be holy and without blame before Him in love”.
God is both omniscient and omnipresent, He knew before creation that man would become evil and that He would destroy the majority of mankind in the flood. Most Bible versions just offer a bad translation Genesis 6. What Genesis 6 is saying is that God was grieved and felt pity for man because of what He was going to do.
If it were not for the NLT, I would have never come to understand what was being conveyed in the KJV and NKJV translations.
The NLT is flat-out amazing!
Same here, the KJV was really hard to understand for me so I used the NLT for a while but it does have some translations that aren’t quite as accurate as they should be. I actually prefer the NASB now because it’s both easy to read and accurately translated. It’s the most accurately translated I’ve found so far.
David, when speaking of the purpose God had for him speaks of the positive thoughts being as numerous as the sand. This shows us that God at least plans out "positive" purposes for us before we were born. But this plan can and does alter based on our actions.
2Sa 12:7-11 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more! Why have you despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon. Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.' Thus says the LORD: 'Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.
We see two things in the above scripture, God "would have given David much more" had he not sinned. Because David did sin God raised up adversity against him.
We also see with Jerimiah, that God said he could be his prophet "if", he turned back to the LORD in his heart, and spoke God's message. Our actions work together with God's call.
Jer 15:19 Then the LORD told me: Stop talking like a fool! If you turn back to me and speak my message, I will let you be my prophet once again. I hope the people of Judah will accept what you say. But you can ignore their threats,
Jer 15:19 Therefore thus saith Jehovah, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, that thou mayest stand before me; and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: they shall return unto thee, but thou shalt not return unto them.
We see so often ministries today that start out well, have a huge following, bring many to Christ, then fall into some sin, and leave in obscurity. There is no doubt these ministers have been used, even called by God, but our response to sin determines if we receive a reward.
I politely disagree friend, just because God said He would’ve done something if we had done something doesn’t imply that His plan had changed based on our actions, what it does imply is that He would’ve made a different plan to begin with based on our actions. The plan was made before creation according to His foreknowledge of what we would do. So the plan that is already in play will not be altered but if we had done things differently then He would’ve made a different plan before creation based on what we had done differently.
| Prov 16:09 | We can make our plans, but the LORD determines our steps. |
| Prov 16:33 | We may throw the dice, but the LORD determines how they fall |
| Prov 19:21 | You can make many plans, but the LORD's purpose will prevail. |
I hear you. In my case, I have found the NLT to be the most accurate (in my meager opinion), for example, the translation of Galatians 3:13. It is the only translation that I have found that translates that passage in direct context with the entire Bible.
Galatians 3:13 NLT - "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
Again, all other translations get this passage messed up, in my meager opinion.
Prov 16:09 We can make our plans, but the LORD determines our steps. Prov 16:33 We may throw the dice, but the LORD determines how they fall Prov 19:21 You can make many plans, but the LORD's purpose will prevail.
Well not to derail but I would like to point out another egregious translation error.
Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers (see John 10:17–18). Yet the NLT leaves begotten out in John 3:16
Blessings.Bible Gateway passage: John 3 - New Living Translation
There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. “Rabbi,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.” Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth...www.biblegateway.com
Proverbs 16:9 doesn’t say God determines our steps it says He directs our steps.
I actually prefer the NASB
Oh, ok. Well, here's a passage from the KJV that says the same thing:
Proverbs 16:9 KJV - "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps."
Is the KJV faulty too? Which translation would you prefer that I use?
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