Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
That hermeneutic has a limp.
"Law" is limited to its usage in the NT.
In the NT, the actual meaning of a word is governed by its usage.
For example, "spiritual" (not used in the gospels) means non-material, non-physical, not corporeal.
However, that is not its meaning in NT usage, where it is "of the realm of the Holy Spirit" rather than simply "non-material."
Likewise, the meaning of "law" in the NT is governed by its NT usage; i.e., Mosaic written code, not by your definition.
What a strange hermeneutic. . .
In the NT, faith is not works, rather in salvation and justification faith is opposed to (it is not identified with) works (Eph 2:8-9, Ro 3:28).
In the NT, works is law keeping of the written code.
Your definitions have no authority in the NT, where the meaning of words is shown in how they are used throughout the NT,
as demonstrated above in the use of "spiritual" and of "faith vs. works."
Lol call it strange, if you condition your salvation on obeying a command, its works, law keeping salvation, and its totally divorced from Salvation by Grace through Faith.
Yeah, you promote salvation by works, law keeping.Non-responsive to the Biblical presentation above. . .
That hermeneutic has a limp.
"Law" is limited to its usage in the NT.
In the NT, the actual meaning of a word is governed by its usage.
For example, "spiritual" (not used in the gospels) means non-material, non-physical, not corporeal.
However, that is not its meaning in NT usage, where it is "of the realm of the Holy Spirit" rather than simply "non-material."
Likewise, the meaning of "law" in the NT is governed by its NT usage; i.e., Mosaic written code, not by your definition.
What a strange hermeneutic. . .
In the NT, faith is not works, rather in salvation and justification faith is opposed to (it is not identified with) works (Eph 2:8-9, Ro 3:28).
In the NT, works is law keeping of the written code.
Your definitions have no authority in the NT, where the meaning of words is shown in how they are used throughout the NT,
as demonstrated above in the use of "spiritual" and of "faith vs. works."
Yeah, you promote salvation by works, law keeping.
Your methodology conditioning salvation on keeping commands reveals you teach salvation by law keeping/Works, so you are bound to keep the whole law !Your methodology betrays the validity of your argument.
That hermeneutic has a limp.
"Law" is limited to its usage in the NT.
In the NT, the actual meaning of a word is governed by its usage.
For example, "spiritual" (not used in the gospels) means non-material, non-physical, not corporeal.
However, that is not its meaning in NT usage, where it is "of the realm of the Holy Spirit" rather than simply "non-material."
Likewise, the meaning of "law" in the NT is governed by its NT usage; i.e., Mosaic written code, not by your definition.
What a strange hermeneutic. . .
In the NT, faith is not works, rather in salvation and justification faith is opposed to (it is not identified with) works (Eph 2:8-9, Ro 3:28).
In the NT, works is law keeping of the written code.
Your definitions have no authority in the NT, where the meaning of words is shown in how they are used throughout the NT,
as demonstrated above in the use of "spiritual" and of "faith vs. works."
Your methodology conditioning salvation on keeping commands reveals you teach salvation by law keeping/Works, so you are bound to keep the whole law !
According to what scripture?
No Im not. Christ only died for Gods elect and all are not Gods elect. Do you believe people Christ died for are Justified before God soley on the basis of His death for them apart from their faith and repentance , and while they are unbelievers still ? Yes or No
Thats false, and obviously you dont believe that the death of Christ in and of itself effects Salvation for everyone He died for. You must believe there are people who He died for, will still wind up lost in their sins and unbelief which He already died for and put away. Also this means you believe in works Salvation, that men must do something in order to get saved, since Christs death alone didnt do it.No. Christ died for the sins of the whole world, not just the elect (John 3:16, 1 John 2:2).
Thats false, and obviously you dont believe that the death of Christ in and of itself effects Salvation for everyone He died for. You must believe there are people who He died for, will still wind up lost in their sins and unbelief which He already died for and put away. Also this means you believe in works Salvation, that men must do something in order to get saved, since Christs death alone didnt do it.
Dont you believe there are people Christ died for who will go to hell for their sins ? Yes or NoNo, you are quite mistaken. It's not about doing anything that saves you. I believe in Irresistible Grace, just like you. My position is not something you are going to find in Calvinism or Arminianism. I believe in the efficacy of preaching the word, which saves by means of repentance.
Romans 10:14–15 CSB17
“How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news.”
Dont you believe there are people Christ died for who will go to hell for their sins ? Yes or No
Okay glad you honest, so then #1 You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 You promote salvation by the doings of man. Thats not a good testimony for Christ !Yes. John 3:16, 1 John 2:2 deal with those verses. Apostle John never uses the term "whole world" to speak of only the elect. Never. He never does that.
Okay glad you honest, so then #1 You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 You promote salvation by the doings of man. Thats not a good testimony for Christ !
You posted didnt you ?Take it up with the Bible, not me.
You posted didnt you ?
Im finished with you You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and you promote salvation by works. Anybody who teaches and believes that Jesus Christ died for the sins of people who still wind up in hell for their sins, automatically #1 Deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 condition salvation on something man must do. Nothing else to discuss partnerYes, and you haven't delt with my Biblical argument. Instead, you insist on your view being correct with no Biblical basis for it.
Im finished with you You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and you promote salvation by works. Anybody who teaches and believes that Jesus Christ died for the sins of people who still wind up in hell for their sins, automatically #1 Deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 condition salvation on something man must do. Nothing else to discuss partner
okay, your argument denies the saving death of Christ and promotes salvation by works !Sure. Show your Soteriology with scripture as I have. Else, you have no argument.
Sure. Show your Soteriology with scripture as I have. Else, you have no argument.
okay, your argument denies the saving death of Christ and promotes salvation by works !
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?