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My Roommate Needs To Go...But How?

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I live in Colorado Springs, Colorado. In November of 2011, I let a "friend" move into my apartment. He stated that he worked for a civilian contractor in the intelligence industry and could not live with any law enforcement or military due to "a conflict of interest."

While I was skeptical of his reasons, I figured I could trust him enough and I let him move in. He occupies an air mattress in my living room (I live in a one-bedroom apartment). He was supposed to actively look for another place to stay and was going to be living with me for only a month or two.

In late December, he was involved in a car accident as a passenger. His injuries prohibited him from working, and so I allowed him to stay in my apartment (a stupid thing in retrospect since I'm violating my lease by allowing him to stay longer than a week without notifying the leasing office). He has had to get a lawyer to fight the insurance company, and has just now received his "release papers" to go back to work.

During this time, he has become increasingly hostile toward me, and I've caught him in blatant lies. However, whenever I even hint at the idea that he's lying to me, he becomes extremely belligerent and threatens to hurt me (though he tries to play it off as though he's just joking). He also often brags about his father (a supposed retired "Spec Ops" warrior with a plethora of security clearances and power) and uses him as a scare tactic when I oppose him.

I have only hinted at the idea of kicking him out. I've issued no notices, and I've given him no direct indication that I want him to leave. Due to his hostility, I've absent-mindedly listened to him as he drones on about how much life sucks (though if I have a bad day or get depressed I'm told to "suck it up").

Now that he has his work release papers, he has talked about getting a job at the fast food joint near my apartment. He can walk there, since his drivers license has been suspended until the end of the year. He was initially helpful (last November he gave me $600 toward my rent and has since used money provided by his girlfriend/ex-girlfriend/lover/fiance/whatever depending on what hour it is to provide me with things like food and supplies for my disability).

Every time he's talked about getting his own place, something has changed (conveniently while I'm in the bathroom or across the street at the grocery store). He goes outside the apartment to take all of his phone calls and won't talk to people who come by to visit him in front of me. I can't get a straight answer from anyone.

Long story short:

There was no lease agreement between me and him. Neither of us signed anything as far as a rent agreement, and I have never charged him rent since it would only introduce stress between us (he has no job). I am on the lease with my apartment complex and am violating it by letting him stay here this long without being on the lease.

He supposedly worked in intelligence and has security clearances (along with his father). He has used these to threaten me vaguely for accusing him of lying to me (i.e., "I'll ruin your life in ways you can't imagine and no one would ever be able to catch me"). He claims to have a DOD-issued firearm in the apartment but has told me I'll never see it; I'm beginning to believe that it does not exist.

As far as he knows, I'm friendly toward him. If I issue him an eviction notice, I am concerned he'll hurt me physically (he's 6'1" and 295 pounds to my 6'0" and 140 pounds and has repeatedly, "jokingly" threatened to paralyze me). If he doesn't hurt me, I know for a fact he has friends who will try to "defend his honor" and they would retaliate against me.

He claims that I cannot just "dump his stuff on the lawn" (so to speak) due to Colorado law; he claims that since he receives his mail in my mailbox, I must issue a thirty-day written notice of eviction. This has come up as he and I have discussed his previous living situations.

What can I do?
 
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make an anonymous complaint to the apartment board saying you have a guest, and then when you get a notice of investigation or whatever, say 'oh no ive been caught out', and say that he has to leave now because of that.

do it.

doesnt sound like a nice person. sounds like he has an inferiority complex
 
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make an anonymous complaint to the apartment board saying you have a guest, and then when you get a notice of investigation or whatever, say 'oh no ive been caught out', and say that he has to leave now because of that.

do it.

doesnt sound like a nice person. sounds like he has an inferiority complex

Doing that will cause me to be evicted. If I file a complaint with the leasing office, they will investigate it, and I will be removed from the apartment (along with him).

So no, I won't be doing that.
 
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He supposedly worked in intelligence and has security clearances (along with his father). He has used these to threaten me vaguely for accusing him of lying to me (i.e., "I'll ruin your life in ways you can't imagine and no one would ever be able to catch me"). He claims to have a DOD-issued firearm in the apartment but has told me I'll never see it; I'm beginning to believe that it does not exist.

If any of this were true you wouldn't know about it because intelligence officers don't talk.
 
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Pray him out. Persistance, perserverance, keep praying :)

Creative thinking....
maybe you could hire someone, to pretend to be the leasing office, doing an inspection while he was there, you could have them issue you papers stating if your visitor is not gone within a week you will be evicted?
(it's like that movie with adam sandler, just can't remember the name of it...was it big daddy? or was it a jack black one...school of rock??? mmm maybe a cross)

But I'd keep praying..
 
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Pray him out. Persistance, perserverance, keep praying :)

Creative thinking....
maybe you could hire someone, to pretend to be the leasing office, doing an inspection while he was there, you could have them issue you papers stating if your visitor is not gone within a week you will be evicted?
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That'd be one to tell the grandkids! ^_^
 
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I'm meeting with the leasing office to renew my lease as of Monday. I do believe I'll tell him that he needs to leave so as to not endanger my lease. He claims that his parents will not take him in because the mother of his son (his "girlfriend") won't move in with him. At any rate, I'm going to try and coax him along as gently as possible, or at least put the idea in his head that he needs to get out soon.
 
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If you want the highlights, just scroll to the next bold portion and read from there.

I live in Colorado Springs, Colorado. In November of 2011, I let a "friend" move into my apartment. He stated that he worked for a civilian contractor in the intelligence industry and could not live with any law enforcement or military due to "a conflict of interest."

While I was skeptical of his reasons, I figured I could trust him enough and I let him move in. He occupies an air mattress in my living room (I live in a one-bedroom apartment). He was supposed to actively look for another place to stay and was going to be living with me for only a month or two.

In late December, he was involved in a car accident as a passenger. His injuries prohibited him from working, and so I allowed him to stay in my apartment (a stupid thing in retrospect since I'm violating my lease by allowing him to stay longer than a week without notifying the leasing office). He has had to get a lawyer to fight the insurance company, and has just now received his "release papers" to go back to work.

During this time, he has become increasingly hostile toward me, and I've caught him in blatant lies. However, whenever I even hint at the idea that he's lying to me, he becomes extremely belligerent and threatens to hurt me (though he tries to play it off as though he's just joking). He also often brags about his father (a supposed retired "Spec Ops" warrior with a plethora of security clearances and power) and uses him as a scare tactic when I oppose him.

I have only hinted at the idea of kicking him out. I've issued no notices, and I've given him no direct indication that I want him to leave. Due to his hostility, I've absent-mindedly listened to him as he drones on about how much life sucks (though if I have a bad day or get depressed I'm told to "suck it up").

Now that he has his work release papers, he has talked about getting a job at the fast food joint near my apartment. He can walk there, since his drivers license has been suspended until the end of the year. He was initially helpful (last November he gave me $600 toward my rent and has since used money provided by his girlfriend/ex-girlfriend/lover/fiance/whatever depending on what hour it is to provide me with things like food and supplies for my disability).

Every time he's talked about getting his own place, something has changed (conveniently while I'm in the bathroom or across the street at the grocery store). He goes outside the apartment to take all of his phone calls and won't talk to people who come by to visit him in front of me. I can't get a straight answer from anyone.

Long story short:

There was no lease agreement between me and him. Neither of us signed anything as far as a rent agreement, and I have never charged him rent since it would only introduce stress between us (he has no job). I am on the lease with my apartment complex and am violating it by letting him stay here this long without being on the lease.

He supposedly worked in intelligence and has security clearances (along with his father). He has used these to threaten me vaguely for accusing him of lying to me (i.e., "I'll ruin your life in ways you can't imagine and no one would ever be able to catch me"). He claims to have a DOD-issued firearm in the apartment but has told me I'll never see it; I'm beginning to believe that it does not exist.

As far as he knows, I'm friendly toward him. If I issue him an eviction notice, I am concerned he'll hurt me physically (he's 6'1" and 295 pounds to my 6'0" and 140 pounds and has repeatedly, "jokingly" threatened to paralyze me). If he doesn't hurt me, I know for a fact he has friends who will try to "defend his honor" and they would retaliate against me.

He claims that I cannot just "dump his stuff on the lawn" (so to speak) due to Colorado law; he claims that since he receives his mail in my mailbox, I must issue a thirty-day written notice of eviction. This has come up as he and I have discussed his previous living situations.

What can I do?

Pop his air mattress to start with and wait for him to retaliate. When he does tell the landlord that you accidentally popped his mattress and now he is violent and has been squatting for a while.
I seriously doubt the landlord would kick you out. It doesn't matter if you told your roommate he doesn't need to pay rent. You can tell the landlord that he has been squatting and won't move out. That will end things really quick. You can tell the landlord what ever you want and your roommate has no proof of anything. Just don't get caught in lies. Keep it simple and believable.

I would stop talking to this guy all together and just go over his head. Even if you get kicked out (you won't) they still have to give you thirty days. And they you will be free of that leech.

Get mean, get vindictive, and get him out.
 
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I'm meeting with the leasing office to renew my lease as of Monday. I do believe I'll tell him that he needs to leave so as to not endanger my lease. He claims that his parents will not take him in because the mother of his son (his "girlfriend") won't move in with him. At any rate, I'm going to try and coax him along as gently as possible, or at least put the idea in his head that he needs to get out soon.

Wow sounds like a gross situation, but sounds like telling him he needs to leave to not endanger your lease is a good idea. Just pray a lot that God would give you the words to say, and him the heart to receive it and to understand you, and then talk to him and be honest about it all. God can help resolve the conflict. Also pray that he will be blessed, I always find that doing that when I don't feel like it helps me get my heart for the person right, if that makes any sense.
 
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I suppose you could always chop him up in many pieces and feed them to the squirrels....

Failing that, you can tell him that you are considering talking to an attorney because he has threatened you, and as a result has caused you to go against your lease.
 
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Honestly, I wouldn't lie about it. It's your apartment and he has taken advantage of you and even threatened you. Just kick him out.

I had a friend who was going through a rough time and let him move in with me. I had paid rent 6 months up front so he didn't need to pay rent. He had a decent paying job, but literally the day he moved in, he got fired. So he stayed with me for about 5 of those months and when the rent was about to run out, I sat down with him and said we both needed to find jobs and start paying half the rent and he went ballistic on me and ended up moving out to stay with his mom.

But you're the renter of that apartment. It's your place. Don't let his threats get to you. Even if his father was some kind of special ops, he's not going to come after you because you kicked his son out. If you think he's going to cause an issue, have a police officer there when you do it.
 
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I'd just tell him that your lease is almost up, that you're considering moving and that he's going to have to find another place to live.

With people like that, (he sounds paranoid) it's best to put ALL the blame on you. It will help him not get violent, hopefully.

If he gets violent, call the police. It's as simple as that. If he comes back and threatens your safety, call the police.

If you have to, you might just have to move. Which wouldn't be the end of the world. Inconvenient, yes. But it might be in your best interest.
 
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When people make threats against you it means they are weak and powerless. All they have are threats.

I have been in similar circumstances and know how hard it is. Tell this person that the landlord is forcing you to move if you don't get ride of this roommate because of your tenant agreement. Make things uncomfortable for him so he wants to move.

I had to have a roommate forcibly removed by another friend. If you don't have a friend that can do that, hire someone like a PI or bouncer.

My prayers are with you.
 
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I live in Colorado Springs, Colorado. In November of 2011, I let a "friend" move into my apartment. He stated that he worked for a civilian contractor in the intelligence industry and could not live with any law enforcement or military due to "a conflict of interest."

While I was skeptical of his reasons, I figured I could trust him enough and I let him move in. He occupies an air mattress in my living room (I live in a one-bedroom apartment). He was supposed to actively look for another place to stay and was going to be living with me for only a month or two.

In late December, he was involved in a car accident as a passenger. His injuries prohibited him from working, and so I allowed him to stay in my apartment (a stupid thing in retrospect since I'm violating my lease by allowing him to stay longer than a week without notifying the leasing office). He has had to get a lawyer to fight the insurance company, and has just now received his "release papers" to go back to work.

During this time, he has become increasingly hostile toward me, and I've caught him in blatant lies. However, whenever I even hint at the idea that he's lying to me, he becomes extremely belligerent and threatens to hurt me (though he tries to play it off as though he's just joking). He also often brags about his father (a supposed retired "Spec Ops" warrior with a plethora of security clearances and power) and uses him as a scare tactic when I oppose him.

I have only hinted at the idea of kicking him out. I've issued no notices, and I've given him no direct indication that I want him to leave. Due to his hostility, I've absent-mindedly listened to him as he drones on about how much life sucks (though if I have a bad day or get depressed I'm told to "suck it up").

Now that he has his work release papers, he has talked about getting a job at the fast food joint near my apartment. He can walk there, since his drivers license has been suspended until the end of the year. He was initially helpful (last November he gave me $600 toward my rent and has since used money provided by his girlfriend/ex-girlfriend/lover/fiance/whatever depending on what hour it is to provide me with things like food and supplies for my disability).

Every time he's talked about getting his own place, something has changed (conveniently while I'm in the bathroom or across the street at the grocery store). He goes outside the apartment to take all of his phone calls and won't talk to people who come by to visit him in front of me. I can't get a straight answer from anyone.

Long story short:

There was no lease agreement between me and him. Neither of us signed anything as far as a rent agreement, and I have never charged him rent since it would only introduce stress between us (he has no job). I am on the lease with my apartment complex and am violating it by letting him stay here this long without being on the lease.

He supposedly worked in intelligence and has security clearances (along with his father). He has used these to threaten me vaguely for accusing him of lying to me (i.e., "I'll ruin your life in ways you can't imagine and no one would ever be able to catch me"). He claims to have a DOD-issued firearm in the apartment but has told me I'll never see it; I'm beginning to believe that it does not exist.

As far as he knows, I'm friendly toward him. If I issue him an eviction notice, I am concerned he'll hurt me physically (he's 6'1" and 295 pounds to my 6'0" and 140 pounds and has repeatedly, "jokingly" threatened to paralyze me). If he doesn't hurt me, I know for a fact he has friends who will try to "defend his honor" and they would retaliate against me.

He claims that I cannot just "dump his stuff on the lawn" (so to speak) due to Colorado law; he claims that since he receives his mail in my mailbox, I must issue a thirty-day written notice of eviction. This has come up as he and I have discussed his previous living situations.

What can I do?

I would seek advice of a lawyer in these matters. Just because we work for the gov doesnt mean we can do what ever we want. We are still subject to the laws of the US. Im sure the DOD would not be happy to know of this matter. See if it is law for you to record him threatening you.
 
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Non-legal advice: I'm amazed nobody said this already! Get a TRO because you legitimately fear for your safety, then proceed with evicting him while the TRO/permenant order is in place (it also will probably help speed along the process). Then renew your lease without any problems. :)
 
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Tell him to get out.

If you fear for your physical safety, keep a gun on your person. Or at least some pepper spray.

Under the circumstances, a gun is the very last thing you want in that room. Roomie is definitely beyond the point of no return, and a gun could quickly escalate this bad situation into a fatal one. Especially if roomie gets hold of it.
 
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He's lying about his connections. If he had those high clearances and such, he could certainly do better than a job at a fastfood place and wouldn't need to mooch off of someone for free housing.

honestly, telling him upfront (with witnesses) that you want him out should be your first move. But you're really afraid he might turn violent, I'd call the police and tell them he's squatting in your home and refuses to leave and have them escort him out.
 
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